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You mentioned sporting events, so you must have read my mind about my next question. At last night’s Scotland match, there was a significant increase in police numbers compared to previous games—I have been at all the games recently as part of the five game package. Even my wee boy, who was with me, noticed and said, “Oh dad, there’s loads of police tonight.” I have to say that the police were great and they were interacting well with the fans and the kids.

How are those things thought out? I do not know what the exact numbers were, but there seemed to be a large police presence: I could see a police officer everywhere I turned. I suppose that is a good thing, but given that we are here to scrutinise the budget, how do you take into account and prioritise such events? I know that you cannot predict things—you just said that—and possibly, as I am sure you will tell me, what I am about to say was to do with the fact that there was a large police presence, but the atmosphere seemed fairly friendly last night and I did not notice any difficulties.

Thanks very much for that answer. My final question is on an issue that we have done a bit of work on in the Parliament: water safety. I have to say the SFRS does a fantastic job with us on water safety. Accessing wild waters is becoming more popular as a result of the pandemic and climate change bringing warmer weather. How much thought and budget resource has been put into that work? It is very good work that is welcomed by everybody who is in that field.

Okay. Thank you.

It is very important that we help you to reflect that accurately. Thank you.

I have a couple of questions on the fire services—I will be quick, convener. The first question is for Ross Haggart. I did a bit of work with my local fire station at Coatdyke—it was not too long ago, but certainly pre-Covid and before budgets are what they are just now—and there was some discussion about appliances. I think that there were some thoughts that an appliance might be lost from there. When I got involved and started speaking to senior officers about it, there was a lot of discussion about the fire service looking to move to new models anyway. How much of the appliance cuts are to do with budget pressures and how much are they to do with the direction in which the fire service is moving anyway? I suppose that the reverse question of that is, if there was a magic wand and you had all the money that you needed, would you be reinstating those appliances or would you be moving in a different direction?

I hope that my first question will link this session with the previous one. My colleague John Swinney’s line of questioning in the previous session was about joined-up thinking in the justice sector. It will come as no surprise to the witnesses—the point has probably been raised with you previously, maybe even by me at a previous session; I cannot remember—that we often hear from the police about the amount of time and resource that is taken up by officers having to attend the court. We all know about that. We have heard it many times, and we heard it again today; there was even talk about the impact of that on overtime budgets.

Is the SCTS doing anything to try to limit that? Is it doing any further work with the police to see exactly how that can be reduced? That would have an impact on the police budget, which we have just heard about, and I presume that, to an extent, it would also have an impact on the SCTS budget.

I am last but not least—I hope.

I have a couple of questions. My first question is for James Gray and David Page. James mentioned earlier that Police Scotland is looking at the issue of overtime. I probably will not be popular for asking this question, and I apologise to any friends in the police who are watching, because I know that they welcome overtime—as anyone would just now. How could that issue play out in your budgets? It would seem more sensible to reduce overtime in order to keep staffing numbers up. Are you looking at that? Can you expand on what the impact of overtime is, and say what the figures are and how savings might be made?

It sounds very positive overall. However, what discussions are taking place with defence lawyers, who will play a key part in making that happen?

Good morning to the panel. It has been a very tough session, and I thank you all for being able to speak about the topic.

A lot of the focus has been on the extreme end of the issue, and that is obviously why you are here today. I want to go back a wee bit and ask—this is probably for you, ACC Ritchie or Katy Miller—whether there are any plans in place to have a more wellbeing-focused approach across the whole service for every serving officer and serving member of staff, including you.

I ask that because, in the past few years, as organisations have become more aware of mental wellbeing and emotional health, I have been making more and more visits to organisations and businesses in my constituency that say that they now give a specific hour a day for wellbeing. Their employees have to go for a run or do some other exercise or meditation specifically for their mental wellbeing. Is there anything like that in there so that problems are addressed at an earlier stage and so that everybody can look after their own mental wellbeing? I am not sure who is best placed to answer that question. It is a wee bit different from the other questions.

You have. You referred to this yourself, but it is also worth saying that, although you are the ones here today, the issue is not just in policing. Before I became an MSP, I worked in social work and a lot of the things that we have been talking about today reminded me that, back then, we were always thinking of ways in which people could be better supported and how it was almost a rite of passage for every children and families social worker to have a period off work with stress. I do not know whether I should be saying this on the public record, but I do not know a children and families social worker who has not had that. There are definitely similar areas across the public services.

That takes me to my second point. ACC Ritchie, I think that it was you who said that you do not know a single officer who has not had at least one and probably several such events. Given that that is a known part of the job, how much focus is given to it at the training stage, when your officers are at Tulliallan and places like it? Are they specifically told that it will be a part of their job—a difficult part—and are they provided with scientific and evidence-based research on how they might want to cope with it? That might be where the techniques that I mentioned could be brought in.

We could probably spend a lot more time on that subject, but I am conscious of the time.