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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

It is short. We have heard in previous evidence that the problem is the timescales of budgets. The Scottish Government budget runs on the normal financial year, but colleges are funded for the academic year. Is that something that you have looked at, Mr Rennick?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

If colleges are having to get rid of that number of people, which, to me, sounds like it could be unsustainable for some colleges, is there any extra support with voluntary severance payments? Are they getting extra money for that?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

I will switch back to you, Karen Watt. In previous sessions, I have asked about the risk register that the SFC keeps. I could be wrong about this, but my understanding is that five colleges are listed as black, which is the worst position. What is the current position with the risk register?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

Are you able to say which four colleges you are talking about?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

What do you mean by structural options?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

You could not use it for the employment matters that we have been discussing.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

Thanks, convener. I feel that I have hogged things rather. Other members will want to come in.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

I did not think that you would tell me, but I had to ask. I want to pursue the point, however, because it is a really serious issue. If those four colleges do not get the extra money that they need, are they at risk of closing?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

Thanks very much, convener. I will ask about that report but, initially, I have a question for Karen Watt to help me to understand the Funding Council’s role in respect of individual colleges. How involved are you at that level? Do you, for example, attend board meetings?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

That is good. Some good has come of that session, so I am glad that you watched it.

The report that you referred to, which has just come out, made for an interesting read. It is gloomy reading, to be frank. In it, you say:

“The financial position of”

Scotland’s

“colleges is deteriorating.”

You have said that already. You also say that their position is—this is an interesting phrase—“extremely fluid”. What did you mean by that?