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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Before I bring in Phil Diamond and then Alan McAulay, I will bring up something with you, Gary, although I know that others have made this point. We have heard that the bill is a good first step. Is there a sense from the work that you have been doing on the cladding working group and the directorate that there is more to come and that we need to do this because there is an urgency to get moving on it? I understand the point that, if you are going to assess a building, you should do the whole package. The committee is just seeing this piece of proposed legislation, but is there more in the pipeline that is being considered?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks, Alan, that is helpful. It is about how to parse out the issue. It is important to find the right way—or as close to that as possible—to look at it.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. I will bring in Jim McGonigal next.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

I want to clarify something. What Jocelyne Fleming was saying was interesting. We have a question about what the cladding assurance register is for. We can also ask whether we are moving in the direction of developing something else—a safe buildings register that includes the MOT idea that has emerged through our conversations. Is it useful to conflate those, or is it better to keep them separate, because of what we are trying to do?

I will bring in Pam Gosal with questions on the single building assessment.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

I will bring in Kate Swinburne, then we need to move on. We are in a sticky situation: we are getting a lot of good information but we are only halfway through the questions, and we have only half an hour left, so we have to strike a balance.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Perfect.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

That lack of nuance has certainly come through in previous evidence sessions as well.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Before we move on, I welcome Mervyn Skeet to the meeting. It is good to see you. I have opened with a few questions about consultation on the bill. Did your organisation have the opportunity to engage with the bill and, if so, has the engagement been effective in improving the bill? I will not put you on the spot by going to you next, so I will go to John Sinclair.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

Mervyn, has the Association of British Insurers been engaged?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Ariane Burgess

My next question is about the scope of the bill. Should the focus of the bill be solely on cladding remediation, or should it extend to cover all fire safety issues, or even all significant building safety matters?