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Before anyone responds, I will say that we have to keep our questions and answers brief.

I think that Gordon MacDonald has a supplementary question about brownfield sites.

To clarify, you said that you disagree, but it is not necessarily about the planning fee; it is the ring-fenced nature of the—

That is very helpful. Those are quite big figures, so we need to take a big step from where we are now with employment if we are to support the just transition aspect of NPF4.

I might be going a little bit off piste, but on my commute from my home to Edinburgh, when going through the Aberdeen area, I often encounter folks who have just come onshore or who are about to go offshore. From talking to them, I know that the job package that they get is very attractive—startlingly attractive, actually. What can the renewables sector do to attract people to the industry? I was talking to one person recently who said that the oil and gas industry is still the way to go, so there is work to be done to help people to understand the opportunities.

Good morning and welcome to the 15th meeting in 2024 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are in silent mode. Pam Gosal and Stephanie Callaghan are joining us online, and we have received apologies from Mark Griffin.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take items 4, 5 and 6 in private. Are members content to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

It would be interesting to see how things develop a year from now. Mairi Maciver, you have indicated that you want to come in.

Does anybody have anything to add?

Morag Ferguson or Mairi Maciver, would one of you like to come in? Morag is nodding.

Great. It is really heartening to hear that. Perhaps we will see more examples of such models because, at the end of the day, as you said, people in those communities will be living there long after developers have gone.

I will preface my next question by saying that we might not have time for everybody to answer, although I recognise that each witness will have a different perspective, so come in if something has not been covered in the responses so far.

We have heard about the climate and nature aspects of policies. NPF4 has six basic principles, including local living, compact urban growth, the wider place principle and a just transition. Claire Daly, have those principles had any influence on the location and type of developments over the past year? I recognise that we are having this conversation quite early in the existence of NPF4.

It is about bedding in the new policy framework and understanding how all the things work together.