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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 April 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

That is okay—I get the message.

I have a concern about the power imbalance between the Executive and the Parliament. There have been a number of references to the fact that powerful committees were to be a feature of the Parliament, in place of a second chamber. I want to challenge something that Adam Tomkins said. He was critical of the scrutiny powers of the Parliament in relation to the power imbalance, but he was full of praise about process. However, if the process leads to law that is then designated as ultra vires, that is surely a failure in the process.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

I have a question about the changes that have occurred over 25 years. Certainly, Johann, you are well placed to offer observations on them. One of the things that I struggle with in this Parliament is the degree to which parties control everything. They control who is on the committees and who speaks in the chamber—just about everything. Is that how it was originally? Has that evolved? Has that stranglehold of party business managers and leaders evolved to what it is now, or was it like that from the beginning?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

Yes.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

Is that a reflection of calibre?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

Adam Tomkins was only too happy to say so. Do you have a view?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

Outside Parliament, a lot of people think that we have too many career politicians.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

Should the parties themselves appoint the conveners? That, in itself, is problematic, from my perspective.

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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

I think that the issue relates to the nature of committees, particularly with regard to their responsibilities in scrutinising legislation.

I will be very brief, to please the convener, whom I like to please.

I was a member of a select committee in the House of Commons that was chaired by Rachel Reeves. Rachel was a brilliant convener, because she said at the outset, “When people who come in front of the committee leave, they need not to have thought once about what the party affiliation of the person on the committee was. They shouldn’t be able to tell the difference between us.” From the evidence and reflections that we have heard this morning, it is clear that that is not the case in our Parliament. I want to understand why. Is it a reflection of the calibre of our MSPs?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

I will be brief, convener—you have said that three times in relation to my sections.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

It is a self-perpetuating culture. That is the problem.