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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

That is not what is being suggested.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

There is a certain inconsistency between your answers to Willie Rennie and your call for radical reform, cabinet secretary. It is a strange organisational set-up that calls for radical reform when you say that nothing much is broken.

Let us return to the Tes article, which contained a quote from an email from Clare Hicks, the Scottish Government’s director of education reform, in response to a freedom of information request. In that email, she said that the funding request from the delivery boards is being

“borne down on”

and

“reduced ... to the minimum viable”.

She also made it clear that the Government’s education reform team is “lean”—there is nothing wrong with lean, by the way—and that the Government is having to

“rely on ES and SQA prioritising activity to meet ministers’ goals”.

Are we really saying that we are leaving the bulk of the workload of reforming Scotland’s education system to Education Scotland and the SQA? Are you satisfied with that? What controls and direction are there around the delivery of education reform—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

—given that those bodies, which have failed, otherwise they would not be getting scrapped—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

Can I ask what the definition is of

“EU nationals with protected rights under the terms of the Citizens’ Rights Agreements”?

I want to make sure that I properly understand what that means.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

From what you said, we agree, I think, that Scotland’s colleges will play an indispensable role in delivering the transformations that we all seek in our economic situation. Do you agree with that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

But it is the funding—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

Cabinet Secretary, do you accept that Colleges Scotland is predicting 1,500 jobs losses over the next five years because of the budget that you are praising? I do not think that Colleges Scotland is praising it. It is saying that it means cuts. How can you be satisfied with that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

Cabinet secretary, what is your vision for the role that Scotland’s colleges play in our education landscape and in the wider plan to transform and modernise our economy?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

Okay—good. It is therefore greatly concerning—to you as it is to me and others, I am sure—that the Glasgow Kelvin College principal, Derek Smeall, said that the impact of the budget on funding

“looks at this early stage to be likely to mean a reduction in my workforce of 25 per cent by the end of year 5, which is 2027.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 21 September 2022; c 14.]

He is looking at progressive reductions in his workforce until 2027.

This morning—perhaps he knew that you were appearing before the committee; I do not know—Jon Vincent, principal of Glasgow Clyde College, sent an email announcing that the college has to find £2 million of savings in the next financial year, that there is a need for redundancies and that it is opening a voluntary redundancy scheme.

That is not the backdrop that Scotland’s colleges need if they are going to fulfil the indispensable role that we agree they will play in our economic transformation. Do you accept what those college principals say, and will that cut in their staffing and teaching capacity undermine the quality of the education that they can deliver?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

My question has to do with teachers and morale within the profession regarding an area that I have raised with you before: violence and threat in the classroom. We both agree that it is utterly unacceptable that teachers are being subjected to maltreatment on the scale that we are seeing, with 20,000 incidents reported in the past year. In a letter to me, you described the work of the Scottish advisory group on relationships and behaviour in schools. Will you expand a little on exactly what SAGRABIS is, practically, going to do to support our teachers?

Do you agree that, when it comes to reported incidents of violence and threat in the classroom, we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg, because there is no standard for reporting such incidents? Some local authorities are very hot on reporting, whereas Glasgow, for example, reported only 400 incidents. I say “only”—though it is ridiculous to say “only 400”—because, given the scale of Glasgow City Council’s school population, that figure seems unrealistic. Do you agree that it would be good to have a standard for reporting, and perhaps even a mandated requirement for reporting incidents of violence and threat in the classroom?