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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 April 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Siobhian Brown

That is helpful.

Yesterday, I saw for the first time the wellbeing economy monitor, which I thought was fantastic. The monitor brings together a range of indicators as a baseline for assessing progress towards a wellbeing economy. One of the many indicators considers the participation rates of young people between the ages of 16 and 19 in education, training and employment. Is the Scottish Government using those indicators to inform its approach to addressing economic inactivity, including sickness and early retirement?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you. That concludes this agenda item and our time with the minister. I thank the minister and his officials for their attendance. The committee’s next meeting will be on 15 December, when we will take evidence on Covid-19 surveillance.

10:30 Meeting continued in private until 10:49.  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you, minister. I will begin by asking the first question.

You will be aware that the committee has been looking at economic inactivity specifically in relation to long-term illness and early retirement. One of the issues that has come up is the number of people who are off work with long Covid, which the minister touched on briefly. Does the Scottish Government agree with the suggestion from the Institute for Fiscal Studies that many working people may be off on sick leave with long Covid, rather than being economically inactive?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Yes.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

That is really interesting.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Absolutely. I know, just going by what has happened in South Ayrshire, that 98 per cent of school leavers are currently going into positive destinations: either university or college or employment. However, we need more joined-up thinking between colleges, schools and businesses. Could the Scottish Government be doing anything better to help with that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Yes.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

We continue our evidence taking on the inquiry, and I welcome our second panel of witnesses to the meeting. Anna Ritchie Allan is the executive director of Close the Gap; Chris Brodie is the director of regional skills planning and sector development at Skills Development Scotland; and Anjum Klair and Jack Jones are policy officers at the Trades Union Congress. Anna Ritchie joins us in person and all the other witnesses are appearing remotely.

I thank our witnesses for giving us their time this morning and for their written submissions. We estimate that the meeting will run until about 11:30, so each member should have approximately eight to nine minutes to speak to the witnesses and ask questions. I am keen to ensure that everybody gets the opportunity to speak; therefore, I apologise in advance because, if time runs on too much, I might have to interrupt members or witnesses in the interest of brevity.

Will the witnesses briefly introduce themselves?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thanks, Chris. That is helpful.

Does Anjum Klair or Jack Jones think that it is likely that many workers who have taken early retirement over the pandemic will be forced back into the labour market, given the current economic outlook and the cost of living crisis? Have any of those concerns been reflected through the Trades Union Congress membership?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Can I move first to questions from Alex Rowley, then I will come back to you?