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My first point is that we are debating the fact that the rape clause is absolutely not fair—that is a given. I, personally, am not aware of the level at which the party has had such discussions, but I have made my position absolutely clear. The rape clause should go. When a Labour Government comes to power—a Labour Government is coming—we will make changes that make people’s lives easier.

I turn to the SNP Government and its motion. As other members have been, I am keen to outline some of the context for today’s debate. Just this week, we learned from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation that one in 10 Scots live in very deep poverty and that they make up almost half of those who live in poverty. The same report, which is rightly critical of the UK Government, maintains that the Scottish Government “could go much further”, and I agree. The focus of today’s debate should be on asking what this Parliament can do right here, right now, but the Government has chosen not to take that approach.

Labour members do not think that the current UK Government is setting a bar against which anyone should seek to compare themselves. Do SNP back benchers think that? I hope that they do not. We should be far exceeding the performance of a Conservative Government that has imposed austerity on our communities, wrecked the economy and hindered growth. The prominence of poverty—especially child poverty—in Scotland is devastating. I hear SNP members talking about that, yet it remains extremely prominent on the SNP Government’s watch. I have often asked myself why the back benchers do not challenge their leadership to go further. My ask is that they do so. A good Government comes from the pressure of those behind it. Is the Scottish Government merely doing a bit better than the Tories? Is that enough for SNP back benchers?

Of course. I meant the SNP group that the member sits on.

That was an excellent intervention from the nurse among us. I also had a career in the health service and I believe that we need to ensure that people see all the career avenues that are available to them in the NHS. It is a wonderful workforce to be part of. The Scottish Government has a responsibility to make nursing an appealing avenue for students.

I recognise that I need to conclude, Presiding Officer. I again thank Edward Mountain for bringing this debate to the chamber and I thank all the hard-working staff and teams who are around people who receive stoma care in our hospitals and our communities. I am sure that people also want me to thank the families for their support. It is good that we have had the opportunity to discuss the issue tonight, and I commit to ensuring that, if I am able, I will ask anywhere that has a disabled toilet to please place a shelf in it.

I will make progress, if Mr Swinney and Ms Somerville do not mind, as I have only six minutes.

I am glad that the SNP will support our amendment.

In this challenge poverty week, I want to make one last point. Children in East Ayrshire and South Ayrshire, in my region, are growing up in a Scotland where one in four children are in poverty because of inaction and poor decision making from the Governments north and south of the border.

I will not.

I say to members that it is our responsibility to take action. Experts are saying that we are not going far enough. Communities are saying that we are not going far enough. It is time for the SNP and the Tories to listen and to act. Otherwise, they should immediately make way and give other parties the chance to deliver—rather than just saying that they will deliver—on policies that will change poverty in this country.

Let me be honest: I do not want to play this game. I want us to have a proper discussion about how we change the lives of people who are living in poverty. In this debate, Labour has made it clear that it will do all that it can to review the dreadful, cruel welfare policies of the UK Government and bring in proper welfare for people. Despite what the cabinet secretary and back benchers have said, the SNP is unable to accept that Labour has a strong track record of lifting people—including many children—out of poverty. I have every confidence that Labour will do that again.

I hope that the member picked up from my speech that I am really keen for us to make progress on tackling child poverty. Therefore, I am keen to know what is discussed when the group meets in relation to what more can be done here and now on child poverty and how it ensures that it pushes members on the front benches in that regard.

Will the minister give way?

I, too, thank Edward Mountain for securing this debate and for making such a personal speech tonight, and I thank other members who have done so as well. I also take the opportunity to welcome those in the public gallery. It is called the people’s Parliament for a reason. It is really important that the public come along and bring to us the things that they want us to talk about. We in the Scottish Parliament can raise awareness of the issue of stoma care and of the team of experts helping to make life manageable for people who have been through what the motion describes—quite rightly—as “a life-changing event”.

We have heard about what a stoma is, how it affects lives, and, as Edward Mountain described, the “bumps in the road”. We have also heard that around 20,000 people in Scotland receive stoma support.

I, too, want to mention the exceptional teams around patients. There are so many different roles in those teams. I looked into what support people might need through that journey: the stoma care nurses who have been mentioned, community pharmacy and community care workers, general practitioners, practice nurses and family carers—the list is endless. We should all take the time to thank the people who support individuals through this journey and at different times in that journey.

In my career before I entered Parliament, I was fortunate enough to see many patients who had positive stories of going through this very difficult journey and reaching a place of acceptance, hope and understanding that life goes on. I want to make the point that, honestly, that was often possible through the support of the stoma care nurses, who really do help to change lives.

When we get the opportunity to raise issues with ministers, we have a responsibility to do that, so, in the short time that I have, I want to raise with the minister the need to secure that service for the future. We need to ensure that we have well-educated, skilled nurses in the future. That links to a point that Edward Mountain made earlier about ensuring that we have the skilled nurses and that we have a workforce plan for them, because, to get those extremely skilled stoma care nurses, we have to have people coming through training and into the profession.

Recently, I visited the Ayr campus of the University of the West of Scotland, in my South Scotland region, and had a tour of the absolutely cutting-edge facilities that are provided to nursing students. I also had an extremely useful discussion with the teaching team around the drop in the number of applications to nursing. With such facilities and such skilled nurses, I would hope that we could start to encourage many more students to come into the nursing profession. It is disappointing that the figures for June 2023 show a decline in the number of applicants to the Scottish programme—I think that there were 6,450 applicants as opposed to 7,930 in 2022. The Royal College of Nursing has asked the Scottish Government to work on how we make sure that nursing is seen as a valued career with good career choices, which, of course, it is. Having seen the university provision in Ayr, I think that we can all champion nursing as a profession.

I am interested to know what discussions you have had with the First Minister about the U-turns around school meals. Could you discuss with us how often you have discussed that with the First Minister?