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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Programme

Meeting date: 3 October 2022

Jeremy Balfour

Thank you. That is really helpful. I have a quick follow-up question that is related to that, which is about good practice for the future. Is it acceptable to have, almost, two separate teams working on the programme? From an auditor’s perspective, would it be better practice for those who are working in the Scottish Government to plot a course so that there is only one team? I appreciate that things have worked okay, but, as the service continues, would it be better practice to have just one team dealing with Social Security Scotland, as is the case with the DWP, instead of there being two teams with almost separate identities?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Programme

Meeting date: 3 October 2022

Jeremy Balfour

It is. Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Programme

Meeting date: 3 October 2022

Jeremy Balfour

Thank you. I have no more questions today.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Programme

Meeting date: 3 October 2022

Jeremy Balfour

My final question in the area is about the benefits that are being delivered. For example, we saw over the summer that there was a fairly major delay in people getting the best start grant money that they were expecting. Have you looked at whether there are enough people working on the appropriate benefits? Have you come to a conclusion on why those delays took place over the summer?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Programme

Meeting date: 3 October 2022

Jeremy Balfour

Over the past year, there has clearly been an increase in the number of people who are employed by the agency, and costs have spiralled upwards. Are you concerned by that? Are issues relating to whether Social Security Scotland is able to keep control of its budget and have the staffing that is required being raised with the agency?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Programme

Meeting date: 3 October 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I have one final question, which goes back to staffing. My colleague Emma Roddick pointed out that there has been a positive pick-up. Do you have any information on where those individuals are coming from? Are they local people from Dundee? There used to be the story that everyone was moving from the DWP to Social Security Scotland—I suspect that we will never know whether that was true. Do you look at where people have come from geographically or with regard to their previous job?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Programme

Meeting date: 3 October 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I think that we dealt with some aspects of the issue under a previous theme, so I hope that we can move on quickly.

There has always been a slightly strange relationship between the design of the system, which has been done by the Scottish Government, and its implementation, which is being done by the new—I do not know how long we can keep calling it “new”—agency. Do you know how many people from the Scottish Government are still working on the design and the practical putting together of the scheme? If so, do you know what the cost of that is? Obviously, the agency does not carry that cost, but it is a cost that is related to social security.

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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Programme

Meeting date: 3 October 2022

Jeremy Balfour

As you said, convener, many of my points have been covered in previous questions.

Auditor General, you talked about the risk with regard to staffing and implementation of the larger benefits. My question is very general. Are there any other things that the committee should look at and monitor in the next couple of years?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Programme

Meeting date: 3 October 2022

Jeremy Balfour

Good morning, and thank you, both, for coming to a meeting on a Monday morning.

I have a couple of questions just to establish where we are at the moment. I think that the last contact that the audit team had with Social Security Scotland and the social security programme team before the report was published was in February of this year. Can you give us an update on what contacts you have had with them since then? Is there anything to update us on around that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Programme

Meeting date: 3 October 2022

Jeremy Balfour

Yes.