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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Jeremy Balfour

That was helpful. I have one more question, and then I will leave it to my colleagues to pick up on other areas.

Obviously, your organisation offers advice throughout the process, including with attendance at tribunals. You say that you have 19 advocates but, if we are talking about disability cases going to tribunals, the fact is that there can be up to eight, nine or 10 tribunals meeting at the same time in Scotland from Shetland to Stornoway. Are you confident that, with that number of staff, you will be able to provide a service for somebody on the day of their tribunal?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I was going to make the same point, but perhaps I can answer Pam Duncan-Glancy’s question myself.

I happen to sit on the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, which met on Tuesday to discuss the regulations. We, too, had quite a lot of concerns about this being the second additional instrument laid under the initial regulations, so we have written to ask the Scottish Government for an explanation and I have asked for that response to be shared with this committee. As a result, we might not, on this occasion, have to write separately. Once the DPLR Committee receives a response, we can respond to it, if that is helpful, convener.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Jeremy Balfour

No, I am talking about the First-tier Tribunal.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Jeremy Balfour

With respect, you did not quite answer my question. Are you able to guarantee that, at the present time, you have enough people both in terms of numbers and geographically to cover tribunals? I do not know where your 19 advocates are based, but there could easily be a tribunal in Inverness and one in Galashiels on the same day, as well as some in the central belt. Can you assure the committee that, if someone goes to a First-tier Tribunal within the next few months, you will be able to advocate on their behalf?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Jeremy Balfour

How many people are now working for you in Scotland?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I have one final question. In your arrangement with the Scottish Government, is the money that you receive based on the number of people that you employ? Is there an upper limit to the number of staff that you can employ under your contract with the Scottish Government? I think that I saw that the figure that you had in mind for that was £20 million in two to three years. Does that depend on the number of staff that you employ?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Jeremy Balfour

One area that we have not covered is the relationships that you have with other advocacy services across Scotland. A constituent who went to one of the local authority services came to me here, in Edinburgh, and told me that the service had a waiting list as long as your arm. Are organisations such as the City of Edinburgh Council’s advice shop and other third-sector organisations aware that you are out there? Why do they not refer cases on to you if they cannot take on new cases at the moment?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Jeremy Balfour

When you are writing to the committee with all the other information that you are giving, could you give us a list of who you have been in touch with across Scotland? There might well be gaps and people such as Emma Roddick might know of organisations in the north of Scotland, for example, that are not well known. If you could give us a list, that would be helpful.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Jeremy Balfour

Thank you, convener. That was within the four minutes.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Jeremy Balfour

If I am honest, I am surprised about the number of people who are working for you. I just did a quick search on Google and there are eight tribunals sitting today, so one sitting per region would mean that half of your staff would be at tribunals. I am therefore wondering about recruitment. I looked at your website yesterday and you are not recruiting any advocates at the moment, but you are recruiting one policy officer. When will the scale-up happen? What is your timescale for recruitment?