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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 November 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Thanks very much. I want to ask Hedydd Phylip about something that came up regarding officials. I think that this point has just been made, but is there enough experience of the devolution side among UK Government officials and enough experience of the challenges for UK officials among officials from the devolved nations? Are there opportunities to build a better understanding? Professor Wincott mentioned the one-week “Let’s talk about devolution” event. Could there be more interaction on that side of things, such as through secondments or officials from each side spending time understanding some of the challenges?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I will quickly come back on that. Does the process at the moment involve a kind of well-intentioned trial and error? Will aspects be formalised as they are deemed to work or to be successful? Is that simplifying the situation a bit too much?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

The point has been made that certain departments have a greater relationship with devolved issues than others. Perhaps some do not have any relationship, but there is probably a knock-on effect. I will leave it there unless anybody else wants to comment.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I am glad that you came in there, because I was going to bring you in. Are the processes that are operating now and the informal structures that you warn against what we have seen all the way along under devolution, or has devolution involved a more formalised process for scrutiny, decision making and relationships?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Good morning. We have touched on some of the areas that I want to cover. I will come to Professor Wincott first. When we were in London, we heard some things about the balance between formality and flexibility, particularly at official level, but above that, too. Will you give us your thoughts on that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I do not want to labour the point, but I think that it is worth clarifying that the suggestion that the only way for Scotland to stay in the EU was to vote to stay in the UK has been misrepresented repeatedly. The European and External Relations Committee was written to by the European Commission at the time, and it highlighted that leaving a member state would mean leaving the European Union. That point was made by the European Commission.

Moreover, the once-in-a-generation suggestion—I absolutely agree about the lack of precedent in that respect—was actually part of the Scottish Government’s white paper. It was therefore not just two prominent people who were saying that, albeit that they were the First Minister at the time and the First Minister who followed.

My question is about settled will and how we might determine what the feeling of the Scottish people is. We have talked about “the people”. What is your definition of settled will?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You have covered a couple of other points that I was going to ask about, so I will leave it there and perhaps come back in later. Thank you.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

A number of parties have talked about the flexibility of the constitution, and Professor Tomkins mentioned that, too.

One of the difficulties in determining what the Scottish people want is that opinion polls fluctuate, even when we talk about devolution. According to YouGov polling last year, 21 per cent of people in Scotland would happily abolish Holyrood. There is obviously still demand for the Parliament, but that could change, because support for independence started on a low basis. I am not advocating the abolition of Holyrood, by the way. It is interesting how much weight we put on opinion polls. We know that opinions on independence are relatively equal, depending on which polls we look at. However, it is not a priority. How much weighting do you give to priority for another referendum or independence? It is difficult to pin down this aspect of the whole debate. What do people in Scotland actually want and how will we ever determine that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

That did not involve your attending board meetings, which you could have done.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay. Do you regret not attending, or are you comfortable with not having done that?