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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Before I ask about the financial impact, I have a question about the evidence that was used in relation to the previous order. When was that research conducted?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Do you recognise how frustrating it will be for fishers whose businesses are being put on pause without there necessarily being relevant evidence for doing that? You have made a commitment to look at more ways of collecting data, but, at the moment, that is not in place. Do you understand how frustrating that will be?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
As you will be aware, the Scottish Creel Fishermen’s Federation has expressed its disappointment at the lack of exemptions. In future years, if you will not look to provide any financial support, are you more likely to consider exemptions, if you can, particularly if the scientific data improves?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Rachael’s and Rhoda’s points covered most of what I intended to say. There is a lack of data—-and a lack of data that we can have a huge amount of confidence in. There is a lack of exemptions and, generally, a lack of trust in those organisations and individuals who will be most impacted by the order. There is too much reliance on some of the anecdotal evidence, which has been highlighted. Putting people’s lives on hold, even for a short period, without supporting information—or information that we can have confidence in—is not the right approach. I will vote for the annulment, and I hope that others will, too.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Yes.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
I have never been on a committee with so many Highlands and Islands members. I therefore wonder whether you could comment on how the regions will be represented. Will the approach ensure that the Highlands and our more remote rural areas are represented?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
You are saying that none of that evidence is based directly on fish numbers or anything like that. It is evidence that you would not expect to change, so the data that you used for the 2022 order and for the new one is not likely to change any time soon, because it is not based on fish numbers.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
The Clyde Fishermen’s Association secretary, Elaine Whyte, said that the ban will have a devastating impact on fishermen. She said:
“Financially, the closure has had a massive impact. We have had mobile boats that have lost areas but, more significantly, we have had creel boats that have completely lost their areas and which have no other option to go anywhere.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee, 2 March 2022; c 3.]
Those people do not have other options. Essentially, you are asking them to stop their business for that period. Could more consideration be given to the impact on them?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Lastly, everyone has agreed, and your officials have said, that this is about working with the sector. Do you feel that the sector has confidence in its discussions with you that it is not just being talked to but is being worked with for the future?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
That would certainly be interesting. In a previous role, I used to have meetings with fishermen. There was always great frustration with the scientific evidence, mainly because they did not agree with it. They were seeing decent stock numbers at a time when ICES was saying that those areas were under threat. However, we cannot show that with the data, as it relates to the most likely places for cod to spawn. That is what we know. Unless new monitoring ways come in, the data will not necessarily change.
On the financial impact of the closures, the then responsible minister’s response said that the Scottish Government was
“not considering any additional financial support schemes ... related to this closure”—
not even for vessels that cannot fish in other areas. Obviously, that has financial implications. What are the reasons behind that decision?