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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Louise, for full transparency, I note that I was in one of your establishments only a week or so ago. Having been bought a gin and tonic, I feel slightly seen by your Pat Butcher comment. [Laughter.] The place was fantastic and it was very well looked after, but it was quieter than I would expect in Edinburgh on a Saturday evening. I know from speaking to other people in the sector that there is real pressure on our town centres and that our city centres are not as busy as they have been. There has been behavioural change among a lot of people.

Michelle Thomson and I were both on the Economy and Fair Work Committee, which produced a report recently on town centres. It was interesting to hear some of the proposed solutions and suggestions on what we need to be doing. The sector has dealt with a pandemic; there has been uncertainty about the deposit return scheme, and investment has been needed in relation to that; and legislation on other matters has been rolled out, such as the ultra-low emission zone in Glasgow.

How difficult is it for the sector to forward plan? Given the changes in approach—the UK Government is providing a discount for hospitality—how are you positioned compared with similar organisations in other parts of the UK?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

It will perhaps be lower over that period, but do you expect it to be higher going forward?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

That probably answers another question that I was going to ask. With regard to the £971,000 figure for the costs in period 1 of 2023-24—that is, for just one month—I think that the Deputy First Minister said in February that the figure for 2023-24 was likely to be no higher than £50 million. You therefore expect the figure to be considerably less than that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

That is a £50 million to £80 million liability, subject to discussion with HMRC.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

A lot of the correspondence between the committee and you, minister, has been on the lack of available data. You said that you will provide more information to the committee, but the information that was provided was fairly limited. Why was more information not provided, if it is available?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You also talked about infrastructure. We have seen uncertainty about the A9 and it has been a disastrous summer for a lot of island communities because of the ferries. Even some of the mainland Highland ferries, such as the Corran ferry, have been out. I met people on the Ardnamurchan peninsula who are wondering whether they can keep their businesses going. How do you get the message across to Government at ministerial level—in order to influence budget decisions—that infrastructure, and particularly transport infrastructure, is vital?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Michael Marra rightly suggested that a number of areas have not been fully considered in the bill. The original financial memorandum estimated the costs of the bill over the five years between 2022-23 and 2026-27 as being between £644 million and £1,261 million. Are those still the estimates, or are the figures considerably higher?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You have said that, for the chain that you represent, Glasgow is actually okay at the moment, but for other areas it will be different.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay.

My last question was on the potential VAT liability, about which concerns were raised. Can you give us an update on where that stands at the moment?