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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 January 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Mr Robertson, this is an inquiry into a legal mechanism, and we are taking evidence on this matter. The whole point of these sorts of inquiries—and some might question whether there is, indeed, a point to this inquiry—is to take evidence from experts and yourself. I am not suggesting that you are not an expert, or that you do not have any insight into this—that was not my intention—but the point is that we are trying to get this information.

I go back, then, to the question that I asked: is there a plan? Let us not call it a secret plan—let us call it a plan that the SNP wants to keep secret for the moment—but is there a plan for delivering independence? The First Minister was quite clear at your conference—he said that there was a precedent. When the SNP wins a majority, there will be a referendum. How is that going to be delivered? Is it simply rhetoric, or is there a detailed plan? Is there a legal path to a referendum? Can you give us more details on that? After all, I think that that is the salient point in relation to this inquiry.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

So the secret plan is to do what you have already done but have not yet achieved.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Yes or no—is there a secret plan? Is there a plan for independence?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

The past 20 minutes have highlighted one of my concerns with the information that we are getting. Notwithstanding some of the issues that the cabinet secretary discussed with my colleague Stephen Kerr and some of the practical concerns that he has, and that we all have, about the relationship, the information that we have had and the language that we have heard—particularly from Mr Brown, who used the words “contempt” and “imperious”, and from you, cabinet secretary, who used the word “sub-optimal”—highlight that, regardless of what is happening behind the scenes, the perception will always be that that relationship is not working and that there are problems, because that suits the Scottish Government. That falls into the narrative that we have seen from the Scottish Government that the UK Government is not working and the union is not working. How can we get a proper idea of the Scottish Government’s position, if that is the narrative that we see all the way through the Parliament?

09:45  

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

No. Clearly, you are not, otherwise we would have had an answer at some point. [Interruption.]

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I will come back on that question at the end, convener.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

The minister said that there is no loss to be considered, but we do not know that. If a business is moved away from a city centre location to an alternative location, for example, that alternative location might not be as beneficial to that business as its existing location. An alternative site is not necessarily a site that will allow the business to do the same amount of business that it would have done, even if there are large numbers of people.

Given that some of the fan zones will have other competition in prime locations, I am afraid that I do not accept that the guarantees that the alternative locations—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I applaud Mr Adam for getting St Mirren into the conversation so early. His comment about the street trader is very much to the point. A mobile street trader can go where they think the business will be, but this is a restriction on being able to go where the business is.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I recognise that, but I am sure that Mr Adam will also accept that not every part of Glasgow will be as busy as others. That is our concern.

I will pick up on some of the other points. Mr Brown said that it is take it or leave it. That is the problem—it should not be. The point of our scrutiny of the bill is to make sure that we look out for people’s interests. We all accept that the event will be fantastic and that it will bring many opportunities, but we also have to look at those who are impacted, if not losing out.

I appreciate all the points that have been made. As I said, I am happy to work with the minister and have further conversations on the point. We need to look at the issue in more detail and, if the minister is happy to meet me—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

On the point about registering, is there a concern that some organisations might fall foul of the provision because they are not aware that they have to register? What information will the Government provide on that? Will any advice or guidance be given to ensure that organisations fall within the law?