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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
I meant on-going evaluation, after the commissioners have been set up.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
It is probably more concerning that, if you were to ask them to speak about the commissioners that their committee was responsible for, they might have the same difficulty.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Good morning. My first question is along similar lines. There has been a lot of talk about how Parliament functions and, indeed, the role of committees and how they function, too. Following on from what Patrick Harvie has been saying, do you think that, as part of any reform of Parliament, we should consider the committees having more teeth to hold the Government to account on some of the advocacy issues in a way they might not have been able to in the past?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
John Mason made the point that committees have a number of organisations that they have to hold to account. We have legislation and so on to run through. With some of the commissioners, there is sometimes a feeling that we need to get them in, or that we ought to get them in. That is concerning for scrutiny, because it feels as though it is of secondary importance, despite the huge and increasing amounts of money that are involved.
This is perhaps a difficult question, but surely the whole point of commissioners is to deliver a solution to a problem. They might not always deliver the solution and they might not always identify the right problem, but we are spending just over £18 million on them. Do you feel that we are getting value for that money? Do you think that we are getting value for money in the outcomes, or is that a difficult question to answer?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
That is helpful, David, but who would you suggest does that work?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Thank you. We seem to have avoided the controversial split—
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 May 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Thank you—that was helpful.
I want to focus a little bit on some areas that have already been covered. Maggie Chapman mentioned the oversight and scrutiny role, and as far as governance is concerned, there is an assessor who keeps an eye on things. However, do you have any oversight of committees calling in commissioners? Are you able to say whether all the committees have called in and interviewed the commissioners, as they are supposed to as part of their remit?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 22 May 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
I will take your word on that. I admit that I do not have a great sum of knowledge of pigeon racing. I take it that gambling is regulated. It is not just happening on the track.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 22 May 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
We could have a situation where you are comfortable with unregulated sites but you might oppose a site that was regulated, albeit self-regulated by GBGB.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 22 May 2024
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Is it the Scottish Government’s position that it is comfortable with the licensing regulations and that it is not providing a loophole or anything like that with an independent, unregulated track?