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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Brian Whittle

Mr Stevenson, you represent a wide variety of venues. The technology that is required to read QR codes will be problematic for many of the venues that you represent, and there is a cost implication for them as well. Will you comment on that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Brian Whittle

Good morning. Dr McMillan, it might be a bit like slamming the stable door after the horse has bolted, but the concern in Parliament is that there has been a lack of scrutiny of the policy because of the way in which it has been rushed through. Given that emergency Covid legislation was properly scrutinised in Parliament in a very short time, would Dr McMillan suggest that primary legislation should have been the route for vaccination passport legislation?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Brian Whittle

The issue is not only that they have to form an opinion on the definition of reasonable measures, but that they have to implement it within two weeks. You will understand the concern that there is potential for offences to be committed.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Brian Whittle

As I discussed with Neil Doncaster, vaccination passport checks will be implemented by all clubs, even small ones, because there is potential for crowd size to be taken beyond 10,000 people when bigger clubs visit. You will recognise that there are varying abilities to finance that. One of Neil Doncaster’s suggestions was that initially, in phase 1, as the technology is being introduced, it would be more practical to instigate spot checks. Has the Government considered that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Brian Whittle

Good morning, cabinet secretary and Professor Leitch. I will ask a question that I also asked during the previous evidence session. Given that venues may be committing an offence if they do not “take all reasonable measures”, what involvement did the industry that is affected have in developing what constitutes “reasonable measures”? Gavin Stevenson suggested that the Scottish Licensed Trade Association was not consulted at all on the matter. To make it work properly, all the sectors will have to understand what constitutes a reasonable measure in a wide variety of potential venues.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Brian Whittle

I asked Dr McMillan about the legal obligation to “take all reasonable measures”. Given that there is potential for venues to commit an offence, how was the industry involved in developing the idea of what constitutes “reasonable measures”? What is your understanding of the phrase?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Brian Whittle

I ask Mr Doncaster to respond to the same question.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Brian Whittle

Given that, I presume that you agree that any reduction in the flow of fans into a ground gives rise to the potential for unrest and security issues outside the ground.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Brian Whittle

In the sector that you represent, many people who are going out do not stay in just one venue; they access multiple venues. Do you agree that the proposal will create inequality between the venues that require a passport and those that do not, and that the issue will become a deciding factor in which venues people choose to go to? As a slight aside, is there therefore potential for venues that currently class themselves as nightclubs to decide that they are not nightclubs?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Brian Whittle

Mr Doncaster, you have suggested that your preference in the first phase would be for spot checks in order to put less pressure on stewards and to ensure that you can put in place what needs to be in place. Given the Government’s current position that this will be a digital initiative and that the system will need to be able to read QR codes, what will be the cost implication of that on clubs? After all, this will affect not just the big clubs, because when those big clubs visit the smaller clubs, the crowd will inevitably be larger than 10,000. Is there a disparity or, if you like, an inequality with regard to the ability to put these measures in place?