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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 April 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I am happy to leave it there, convener.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Brian Whittle

Does any other witness want to comment on that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Brian Whittle

Deputy First Minister, I vividly remember your bringing the emergency powers to the chamber, and quite rightly you had universal support from across the chamber for those emergency powers, given the situation that you faced at the time. However, you and the First Minister have said that the powers would be used only if appropriate, that they would be kept for the minimum amount of time and that they would face parliamentary scrutiny as quickly as possible. I remember how quickly the emergency powers were brought into being, when they were brought before the Parliament and voted on.

As my colleague Murdo Fraser says, we are in a different time now. The Government should not hold such powers unless absolutely necessary. Given that you could bring the measures back before the Parliament and given that the emergency powers could be reinstated very quickly if required, along with my colleague, I will have to oppose the motion.

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Brian Whittle

I will finish my line of questioning. You got to the point that I was hoping to get to, Professor Elder: the IT system that underpins the health service and the direction of the service is outdated. That has not just happened during Covid; we discussed the matter, before Covid, in the Health and Sport Committee. Given that we are the COVID-19 Recovery Committee, I want to explore whether we should invest in an IT system that covers the whole NHS and clinical system. That would give us an ability to better respond to a future pandemic and, more generally, to understand what is happening in non-Covid conditions. Should we do that? Dr Thomson, your hand went up quickly.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Brian Whittle

I had actually written down a note about the interface between primary and secondary care being part of the solution.

You highlighted that there is no universal system for the NHS to access. Presumably, then, you would ask for exactly that: a system—even a multilayered one—that clinicians can access. That would have a positive impact on the ability to care.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Brian Whittle

In the evidence to the committee, I was struck by the suggestion that patients are now presenting with more acute conditions than they were pre-pandemic. I suppose that I could ask any of the witnesses about that, but I will start with Dr Miles.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Brian Whittle

I do not know whether any of the other witnesses wish to contribute. Professor Elder? It seems that everybody wants in. Professor Elder can go first.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Brian Whittle

Healthcare professionals definitely vented some frustration this morning at the interface between primary and secondary care and the inability of secondary care to access primary care data when a patient re-presents. I worked in this area before my time in Parliament, and what interests me is how we get the ability to port that information and data. Covid has highlighted and exacerbated the issue and, looking ahead and thinking about the lessons learned that you referred to, Deputy First Minister, I think that we have a very good opportunity to look at how and what data is collected and how it is accessed. That will require an IT system that is universally applicable to the whole of the country, which is not the case at the moment. Where are we with the development of that kind of structure?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Brian Whittle

I will finish here, convener, but I would encourage the Deputy First Minister and the health secretary to look back at the Health and Sport Committee’s work in the previous parliamentary session. Listening to this morning’s evidence, I have to say that the sort of universality of access that you have described is not the case in Scotland. If you input data in Glasgow, it cannot be accessed in Edinburgh and has to be reinput over here.

We are getting into an area here, but I think—it is not a criticism—that there is an opportunity to consider a system-wide change that would be to the huge benefit of our population and our NHS workers.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Brian Whittle

That is very helpful, as it sets up the direction of travel in which we were wanting to go. That concerns the collection and analysis of data. We did a lot of work on the Health and Sport Committee in the previous session, before Covid, on Scotland possibly behind the curve in our ability to collect data. When approaching a challenge, we must be able to quantify what the challenge is in the first place.

Is the Scottish Government collecting data or setting up indicators that are adequate to establish the extent of the health impacts that are not directly related to Covid-19? Is one of the points of learning that we need to take from Covid that we need to be better at gathering and quantifying data?

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