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COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 10 March 2022
Brian Whittle
I want to follow on from John Mason’s questions about data.
In my time on the Health and Sport Committee in the previous session of Parliament, before Covid, one of the recurring themes was that we seem to be behind the curve in relation to not only how we collect data but how we analyse it. That has been exacerbated greatly by the pandemic. Do we now have an opportunity to reset how we collect data, to the benefit of the healthcare system, and use that data to drive Government policy on health?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 10 March 2022
Brian Whittle
In the previous parliamentary session, there was a recurring theme about how we could improve the way in which we collect and analyse data. To take that a stage further, I was interested to hear what Lawrence Cowan said about inequalities and how access to the work that his organisation does around group physical activity has been restricted because of Covid. That is more likely to happen in areas that are lower in the Scottish index of multiple deprivation. I am thinking about the collection of data on physical activity throughout the pandemic and the impact on excess deaths related to that. Using that data alongside or cross-referencing it with the health data that we are talking about would probably help us to integrate the third sector offering into NHS offerings. Lawrence Cowan, do you have an opinion on that?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 10 March 2022
Brian Whittle
I will finish off my line of questioning by tying up what Dr Fenton has just said and Lawrence Cowan’s comments about the need to share data. This is probably a difficult question to put to you, Dr Fenton, but do we have an IT system that enables us to collect and analyse the data?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 10 March 2022
Brian Whittle
The question that you have raised about who owns the data and therefore how it can used that has exercised the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee and its predecessor for a while. We will not get into that in this committee.
Lynda Fenton would like to come in.
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 3 March 2022
Brian Whittle
Good morning, panel. I am interested in the potential impact of the bill. I want to look back on the way in which legislation was initially introduced in the Parliament two years ago, and the way in which we responded to coronavirus over the period of the pandemic. I note that it was an extended period—the pandemic did not happen to us suddenly. We watched coronavirus move around the world: from China, across Europe and into the UK and Scotland.
If it had existed back then, what difference would the legislation that is before us have made to the way in which we responded to coronavirus? The Parliament legislated quickly once a decision had been made, and I am struggling to understand what difference it would have made had the legislation existed in the first place. I ask Professor Hunter to answer that in the first instance.
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 3 March 2022
Brian Whittle
My question, though, is: what difference would the bill have made to the impact of Covid and the decisions made during that time?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 3 March 2022
Brian Whittle
I will be brief. My interest lies in the impact of Covid. Before the pandemic, business debt and personal debt were being managed, but the impact of Covid has put a lot of strain on that. I know that we are talking about having a moratorium that would enable people to get back on to an even keel. However, at the end of the day, bankruptcy is about trading while insolvent, so how do we square that circle? How do we enable people to get back on an even keel if that means that they might potentially be trading while insolvent during that period?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 3 March 2022
Brian Whittle
Finally, on that point, leaving aside the £5,000 threshold, which it has been suggested is perhaps too low, should the bill contain anything to do with the issue that I spoke about with regard to the time to address the way in which Covid has impacted on debt?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 3 March 2022
Brian Whittle
Perhaps I can move to Professor de Londras for my next question. Now that we understand what legislation is required to address the pandemic, would it not be more appropriate for it to lie dormant now and give the Parliament the potential to resurrect it quickly, as we have done in the past, should such a pandemic come along?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 3 March 2022
Brian Whittle
I turn to Anthony Smith for my final question. One of the concerns is that the impact of Covid restrictions on non-Covid health issues is still being collated. What are your views on the impact of bringing in this legislation before we can make any judgments in that respect? The use of the word “proportionate” with regard to the restrictions that the Scottish ministers might be required to bring in is, I suggest, subjective, and I feel that, under such a provision, they would not have to seek any advice. For example, with any requirement to submit to certain medical interventions, such a judgment will be subjective—albeit that the threshold might be higher—and the Scottish ministers will be able to make those decisions on their own.