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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 April 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I just note that I did not talk about all pupils—I said “many”. One issue that has been raised is that, for some people, the pandemic has deepened inequality in learning. There should perhaps be a focus on certain sections of society and pupils. However, thank you for that response, which was helpful.

I will transition to a point that has been raised with me and that relates to health. We know that roughly half of the Covid cases in hospital are patients who went in for another condition. The worry that has been raised with me is that there is still a reluctance among people to seek medical help because they are concerned about contracting Covid in hospital. What is the Scottish Government doing to ensure that that hesitation is overcome and to get people to seek critical medical help as soon as it is required? If people do not do so, that will put strain on the NHS due to later presentations.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Brian Whittle

Thank you, Mr Swinney—that is helpful. Contrary to what my colleague Mr Rowley said, the driving force is to make sure that we are prepared should this ever happen again. I want to focus on preparedness.

As you have said, you did not feel that the appropriate legislation was in place in March 2020 when it came before the Parliament for the first time. However, in my view, the Scottish Government should be focusing on preparedness for future health emergencies. For example, we should remember the Silver Swan initiative, which was run to test preparedness for eventualities such as Covid. We have discovered that the recommendations of that had been allowed to lapse. Having had that experience, would it not be more relevant to ensure that those recommendations and any further updated recommendations that are made following the pandemic are adhered to? Is that not the direction that we should take? It was the lack of preparedness that caused the main issues at the start of the pandemic.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I will push you on that. Again, I am looking back to see what an appropriate response would have been. I put it to you that we saw the pandemic coming—we watched it coming out of China and moving across the world. The fact is that we did not prepare properly or respond quickly enough. Surely that experience would change the way in which we are prepared and the measures that we put in place for the future. It would not be emergency legislation that would make the big change to outcomes.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I want to go back to education. I have a vested interest in the issue, given that one of my daughters is a teacher and another of my daughters is a pupil who transitioned from primary 7 during Covid and is now in second year. She has missed significant classroom time throughout the whole Covid experience. Despite the greatest efforts of teachers, for many pupils, online learning does not replace learning face to face. How does the Scottish Government propose to fill that gap in learning?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 30 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I have no interests to declare.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I have a question for Ian Hill to finish off. Given the need to increase the number of people working in the sector, does a bit of work need to be done to raise awareness among and understanding of the public and private sector workforce in the net zero environment and the opportunities in that respect? Perhaps we are not doing enough to highlight those things.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

Good morning, Mr Hebblethwaite. You say that the new regime has not changed the rate of pay, but what is important is how much is in someone’s take-home pay at the end of the month, which has significantly changed. I think that the people who have been affected would vehemently disagree with you.

The deputy convener made the point that, when the annual accounts were signed on 10 December 2021, you must have been a viable business, because it is, of course, illegal to trade insolvent. Three months later, you are asking us to accept that P&O got into such a financial crisis in that time that you had to let 800 staff go. Is that what you are asking us to accept?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I have no relevant interests to declare.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I think that you will find that, when you break the law, that is illegal.

I am sorry, Mr Hebblethwaite, but I cannot accept that you did not consider all eventualities. You must have known that what you are about to do would have significant pushback. Time will tell what outcome you are driving for, but I do not believe that you thought that it would be acceptable.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

Perhaps I can bring in Grant Tierney to answer my question and also talk about the financing of net zero. Does all of that lie with the private sector? Where does the public sector sit with regard to financing the upskilling of the workforce?