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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 April 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Brian Whittle

Good morning, panel. I want to go back to the way in which things were communicated. The Government or Governments—certainly the UK Government—used the term “follow the science”. Generally, there was a lot of comfort to be had for the general population that there was a reason why they were being asked to take such extreme measures to look after public health.

The term “follow the science” was well recognised as a good one. However, did we do enough to explain to people what it actually means? Of course, science is a moving picture. To give a simple example, early on in the pandemic, the First Minister and the Prime Minister stood up and said that there was no evidence that face masks would make any difference, until the science said that they did make a difference. The message about following the science is great, but did we do enough to explain what it actually meant?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Brian Whittle

The question that I am really asking is around that communication. If we had communicated and discussed the potential risk more, would that have prevented more people getting—

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Brian Whittle

It is not a premise; it is a question.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Brian Whittle

I think that you have missed my point, Mr Leitch.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Brian Whittle

That is my point, though. The phrase “follow the science” was a good message, but we did not communicate properly what it meant and that the science would continually evolve. We did not communicate that message to the general public, so what people thought was, “I need to do this. Oh, but now I need to do this.” Should we have gone further and said, “Follow what the science currently says, but it will evolve as we learn more about the virus”?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Brian Whittle

I have been practising that for about a week. I think that it is now acknowledged as a condition and the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence published clinical guidelines for it. Her absolute belief is that vaccination was absolutely the way to go. However, I was surprised to hear that there are about 220 confirmed cases, 78 fatalities, 69 probable cases and 70 possible cases. She says that these are relatively very small numbers compared to the vaccine. Nonetheless, these are people who have a condition, who have reacted to delivery of multiple doses of vaccine in a relatively short time. There was inevitably going to be some medical and statistical harm done.

What she was saying is that these are people who have had an adverse reaction to the vaccine and were vilified, pushed away and not listened to at the time, and who have a clinical need. With regard to the issue of communication, her question is, did we communicate the very small potential risk that there was with the vaccine, and, by not doing that, did we create a vulnerability in those few people who had an adverse reaction?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Brian Whittle

Indeed. There is one more thing that I was going to raise. It is something that I never thought I would be raising, but a constituent has brought this to my attention and it speaks to the communication. My constituent is a nurse of 26 years’ experience, and she has raised the issue of VITT—I suppose that I will have to say out loud that that stands for vaccine-induced immune thrombocytopenia and thrombosis . Did I do that right?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Brian Whittle

We do not hear much nowadays about the continuing risk of Covid for certain elements of society. We talk about new normals and about going back to what we used to do before the pandemic, without recognising that some people in society are still at risk. What does the new normal really look like for those who are still at risk? Will we require a societal reaction to that? Should we all be asked to adjust our behaviour to protect those who are most at risk? Adam Stachura has been sitting there quietly for a while, so I turn to him first.

10:45  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Brian Whittle

I was hoping that you would solve all our problems in a couple of minutes. [Laughter.]

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Brian Whittle

Good morning. I want to wind back a little and ask about communication again. Especially early on, the information that we received evolved and changed. Obviously, I am not in a vulnerable category, but I sometimes found the information to be difficult to follow and I was not quite sure what I should do when I was in public, then eventually when I was not in public. Did that have a disproportionate impact on people in the most vulnerable categories? The impact of Covid on people who are clinically vulnerable is much greater so, potentially, the uncertainty about the information was much greater.

I want to get a bit of background on that; I will start with Professor Pell.