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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Anna, would you like to add anything?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Brian Whittle

My questions are for Jocelyn Blériot and Anna Larsson. At the moment, there is a lot of focus in Scotland on single-use items, such as vapes, and we are also looking at the disposal of unsold goods. The bill would give the Scottish Government powers to tackle those issues, but are there any international examples that we should be focusing on and which we could emulate to help us develop more successful legislation? I would ask that, when you answer, you comment, please, on how we can engage with business, as it is so important that we take business with us and ensure that there is no uncertainty about how to do business.

I put that question to Jocelyn first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Brian Whittle

It was about charges for single-use products and whether we should adopt that idea.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Thank you very much.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Brian Whittle

I am going to try to dip my toe into the murky waters of the difference between devolved and reserved areas and how they could interact with the bill. I want to avoid some of the troubles that we have had in the past in developing policy in this area. I assume that my questions are for Aileen and Feja, but if I am wrong in that, please tell me.

As you said, there is a real complexity around the interactions. Although waste is a devolved policy area, it will inevitably interact with UK reserved areas, such as EPR and, as we saw recently, the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 has also raised its head. I will ask a few questions about the key challenges in navigating that complex environment, especially because, as we heard earlier, divergence in policy is not necessarily a bad thing, in that one devolved nation can lead another by highlighting good practice. How do we use the common frameworks to support that policy coherence?

We have recent experience of the internal market act and its effect on the deposit return scheme and the single-use plastics ban. How do we utilise those opportunities and avoid some of the—to use a technical term—bun fighting that took place recently?

I will ask Feja to answer first. If I am going to the wrong people here, please let me know.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Brian Whittle

I commend my colleague Bob Doris for trying to keep politics out of this, but I am going to throw it back in again. Is the problem not that the relationship between the two Governments has never been worse, and that the lack of collaboration and the intransigence towards each other are complicating the way in which we are trying to develop the bill?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Brian Whittle

The focus of your answer was very much on penalising those who do not comply, but there is another side to that coin. Should we not be encouraging people to comply? Instead of just a stick, do we not need a stick and a carrot? How do we encourage rather than penalise? I think that that is always a better approach to take, if you can.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Brian Whittle

I will open that up slightly. We have heard that the issue is not just about allocation of the funds but is about having to apply for them annually then spend them in-year, which seems to be prohibitive. Mark, do you have thoughts on that, and on my initial question?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Thank you. That is really helpful. In the world of investment, it is almost easier to get bigger sums of money. You mentioned some significant investments that you have made in core projects. What is SNIB doing to make sure that smaller companies—SMEs, start-ups and third sector organisations—that will not be looking for such large amounts of investment still have access to the just transition fund?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Good afternoon, panel. I will ask this of Fergus Mutch, if I may.

We heard this morning about the just transition and the impact that it is having, or not having, on the SME sector. Panellists have mentioned carrots and sticks several times. I was musing on the fact that, as has already been said, much of the just transition fund is allocated through financial transactions. Given that the money is being administered in that form, is there understanding among your SME members that money is available to them? I will throw start-ups and the third sector into that, because we heard from such bodies when we visited Aberdeen just a couple of weeks ago.