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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 April 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Farming and Crofting

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in session 6 of the Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee. Before we begin, I remind members and those contributing to switch electronic devices to silent, please.

Our first item of business is an introductory session on farming and crofting. I welcome the first of our virtual or remote panels of industry stakeholders. We have Beatrice Morrice, political affairs manager with the National Farmers Union Scotland; Professor Davy McCracken, head of the integrated land management department at Scotland’s Rural College; Mike Robinson, co-chair of the farming for 1.5° inquiry; and Professor Sally Shortall, a member of the women in agriculture task force. Thank you for the briefings that you provided. Before we move to questions, I ask the panellists to make some brief opening remarks, which you should keep to no more than two minutes.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Farming and Crofting

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Finlay Carson

I have a quick supplementary question. We are not self-sufficient in red meat, so we import quite a percentage. If our land-based industries are going to struggle to get to net zero, is there a risk in reducing agricultural production, particularly in the red meat industry, to hit our targets in the UK? An unintended consequence could be that we offshore beef and lamb production to places where the carbon footprint is bigger, which could ultimately result in a slower global transition to net zero. Has that risk been calculated in the plans for rural support and, in particular, agricultural production?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Farming and Crofting

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Finlay Carson

You touched on regional land use partnerships. I am a bit confused about them, and it appears that you, too, are not quite certain what the outcomes of the partnerships should be. What will be the measures of success or otherwise of the pilots? You touched on whether policies need to apply to a particular farmer, a particular sector or a farming system. You mentioned the south of Scotland, where we already have a lot of trees, but the milk fields of Scotland are in the south-west, where the cow sector is very important; we also have world-important peatlands and so on. What would be your measure of success for the regional land use partnerships? What are the expected outcomes, and how will the work of the partnerships feed into future agriculture policy and rural policy? I put that question to Davy McCracken, but I will also bring in Mike Robinson to address Jenni Minto’s questions.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Farming and Crofting

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Finlay Carson

Yes, thank you.

I will bring in Mike Robinson and then Beatrice Morrice on the same questions.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Farming and Crofting

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Finlay Carson

I am sorry—we have lost Mike Robinson. I invite Beatrice Morrice to come in until Mike Robinson’s connection settles down.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Farming and Crofting

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Finlay Carson

We will certainly take that issue away. The point about not leaving some of your best players on the bench is a very good one when it comes to women in agriculture. It is a good point to finish on.

I have a very brief final question. We have touched on budgets, LFASS and so on, but a seismic shift is coming for farming and rural areas, given the challenges ahead. Do we need additional funding to bring forward such policies and to pump prime new projects? Given that we hear so much about the health benefits of better biodiversity in the environment that we live in, and that land managers and farmers have a big part to play in that, does the sector need to have an increased budget? Do you think that your arguments will be listened to and that such budgets will be delivered in the future?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Farming and Crofting

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Finlay Carson

Thank you. I think that Stephen Young wants to come in on that and have the last word.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Farming and Crofting

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Finlay Carson

The session has run over by five minutes, but I am quite sure that the cabinet secretary will not mind having had to wait five minutes as we got your views on such an important topic.

I thank you for your contributions and suspend the meeting briefly to allow a changeover of witnesses.

12:06 Meeting suspended.  

12:08 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Finlay Carson

Do members have further questions? As there are no more questions, we move to item 3. I invite Mairi Gougeon to move motion S6M-00997.

Motion moved,

That the Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee recommends that the Animal Welfare (Licensing of Activities Involving Animals) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2021 [draft] be approved.—[Mairi Gougeon]

Motion agreed to.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Finlay Carson

Finally, is the committee content to delegate authority to me to sign off our report on our deliberations on this affirmative SSI?

Members indicated agreement.