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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Finlay Carson

Thank you. That is really useful. A lot of the policies that we have discussed are about local procurement, local food production and reducing food miles. The Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill, which is coming up, is pretty empty, but there is scope for it to deliver some of the expectations of stakeholders. Do we need more funding at local level to drive local policies? Should more funding be devolved to local authorities and public bodies to address the priorities in the Highlands, Dumfries and Galloway or the Scottish Borders, for example? Do we need to change the method of funding to ensure that our aspirations for reducing food miles are addressed? That question goes first to Andrew Bauer.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Finlay Carson

I have laid hedges and whatever in the past. We are talking about an emergency here but, sadly, while the majority of farmers are great custodians, some are still set on ripping out hedges to make it easier for big machinery to get in to cut grass or whatever. We see that daily.

Is now the time for the Government to take action and introduce legislation to stop that happening? The financial penalties for removing hedges do not appear to make any difference. This will be controversial, and I repeat that only a small minority of farmers are continuing the practice, but, given the biodiversity and climate change emergency, is there an argument that legislation should be rapidly introduced to stop the destruction of habitats, whether those are hedges, ponds or whatever?

You can carry on from where you were, Michael. What is your position on legislation to ensure that habitats are not removed?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Finlay Carson

Thank you—

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Finlay Carson

We have lost David. While we are getting him back, I will move on to Alasdair Allan’s questions.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Finlay Carson

To give you a start, I will ask you a question that was going to lead on from that.

Rachael Hamilton touched on the additional costs for organic, public procurement and so on. However, the prices of agricultural inputs are rising and we are unlikely to see a reduction in food costs for consumers. If we try to transition, there will be quite a squeeze. Where will that funding come from? What mechanism would allow farmers like you to continue to produce high-quality food and be profitable?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Finlay Carson

I will go back to Ariane Burgess for some further questions, and then I will move on to Karen Adam.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Finlay Carson

That was nice and short.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Finlay Carson

Thanks, David. That was useful.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Finlay Carson

Before I bring in Andrew Bauer, I will give him his proper title—he is the head of foot and footprint at SAC Consulting.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Finlay Carson

David Finlay, the Ethical Dairy is often referred to in the Scottish Parliament and the work that you do is well quoted. How scalable is your project? It is good to hear that the business is now profitable and that you are looking to a positive future, but what is needed to mainstream your type of venture and what barriers stand in the way of that type of venture coming up quickly and addressing this emergency? We do not have 25 years to transform or become organic. What do we need to do to make your project a mainstream solution?