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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

Thank you. Jim Fairlie has a supplementary question.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

I call Jenni Minto.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the end of the session. I thank Professor Sir Dieter Helm for his thought-provoking answers and for giving us his valuable time. His contribution is very much appreciated. I am pleased that we ended on that optimistic call for action.

We will suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of panellists.

10:34 Meeting suspended.  

10:45 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

Perhaps Ian Dickie might like to comment.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

We are running out of time, so we will move to final questions from Beatrice Wishart.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

There is a supplementary question from Rachael Hamilton.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

We can certainly do that. We can write to the Scottish Government with any queries.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

I will write to the cabinet secretary with the questions that have been raised on the instrument.

That concludes the committee’s public business.

12:26 Meeting continued in private until 12:51.  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

I get the feeling that investors are treading water at the moment. There is a bit of a pause. It is not entirely clear where money should be invested to get the best return for climate change and biodiversity. Professor Helm said that we need to base some of our work on river catchments. and non-native invasive species play a role in that consideration.

Ian Dickie has done a lot of work on the state of natural capital in the Borders. That involves baselining a range of things including woodland creation, habitat creation, flood management and farmland management. Do we need to do that across the country before we know where we should invest?

There has been a fairly critical report from the Climate Change Committee that suggests that there is no detail of the policies that underpin the Scottish Government’s ambitions to reach net zero by 2045. That is also creating uncertainty. Does the Government need to do some baselining and put some meat on the bones of the policies before we invest in the right areas?

11:45  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

Before I move on to Jo Pike, from the Scottish Wildlife Trust, and Dr Snowdon, I ask them also to consider the comments that Dieter Helm made about the need to get the approach to natural capital right and to assess and baseline it. For example, we need to ensure that we do not plant tens of thousands of hectares of Sitka spruce if, in the long term, that is not the best investment. Potentially, we need to do all the planning before we bring forward policies. Do we need to pause right now, even though we are in a climate emergency, and ensure that we make the best investment for the long term to get the best from our natural capital?