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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Finlay Carson

Is there any evidence that there is widespread killing of fish, or is it taken that, no matter the grading of the river, anglers are as conscious as anybody of the precarious position that salmon are in? Is catch and release not the adopted practice now, whatever the status of the river?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the third meeting in 2025 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Please ensure that all electronic devices are switched to silent.

I inform committee members that Colin Beattie has resigned his membership of the committee. We thank him for his contribution to the committee’s scrutiny work. We will have a new member next week.

I welcome Jackie Baillie, who will take part in agenda items 1 and 2.

Our first item of business is consideration of a negative Scottish statutory instrument: the Conservation of Salmon (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Regulations 2024. I welcome, remotely, Mairi Gougeon, the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands, and I welcome, in person, her officials: Antje Branding, marine environment, and Dr John Armstrong and Dr Stuart Middlemas, science evidence, data and digital, from the marine directorate.

I ask the cabinet secretary to make an opening statement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Finlay Carson

One of the difficulties is that the regulations are in two parts. If we do not like the part that sets the categories of the rivers and we annul the regulations, we will be, by default, rejecting what appears to be a move that we would welcome—amending the annual closure times—and that would have an impact on the River Annan. It is rather difficult to look at those points and consider annulling the instrument, because that could have unintended consequences for something that the committee would, on the face of it, support.

I will ask one more question before I bring in Jackie Baillie. In the past, there were concerns about the methodology and the data that was collected. Data is only as good as the people who provide it to us. One of the commitments from a few years back—I think that it was when the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee dealt with the issue—was to have more fish counters on our rivers, because that would take away some of the uncertainty over fishing effort by looking at how many people have been fishing the river, and the model could consider whether salmon had entered a river, whether that had to do with a dry summer or exceptionally high tides, and so on. A range of things affect fish coming to a river.

Has there been an increase in the number of fish counters? That would mean that some of the uncertainty over fishing effort and so on could be removed and we would know the actual number of fish that were entering a river.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Finlay Carson

Would anyone else like to take on that question?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Finlay Carson

I invite Jackie Baillie to ask her questions.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Finlay Carson

Do you have any further questions?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Finlay Carson

The discussion has raised a point: if there is a lack of robust evidence or data relating to a river, what action will you take before making a decision? What is the default position if you come to the conclusion that there is not robust or significant evidence on which to base a decision?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Finlay Carson

We did.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Finlay Carson

The question is, that motion S6M-16130 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Finlay Carson

I will kick off the questions. You suggested that the budget is a lot of things, but you did not suggest that it is a budget of disappointment. As cabinet secretary, you have failed to increase the budget, as is the case in every other sector. Despite the 1 per cent increase in revenue funding and the 7 per cent increase in capital funding, we are seeing a more than 3 per cent decrease in funding for your portfolio. To call it a budget of disappointment is probably to underestimate what people in forestry, marine and agriculture are thinking.

In our report on the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill, we called on the Government to ensure that multiyear ring-fenced funding would be provided, but, now that the ring-fenced element has been removed from the UK block grant, can you set out exactly how the Scottish Government will provide certainty to farmers and crofters?

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