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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Our next item is consideration of whether to take item 7 in private. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

The third item of business is an evidence session with the Scottish Government on future agriculture policy. I welcome Jim Fairlie, the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity. Supporting the minister from the Scottish Government are: James Muldoon, head of the agriculture policy development unit; Amanda Callaghan, deputy director for agriculture and land transition; Andrew Crawley, solicitor; and Iain Carmichael, head of agricultural development. I do not need to remind witnesses that they do not need to operate the microphones, which will be operated for them. I invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Yes. In your previous comment, you talked about legacy schemes. What are they exactly?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Our next item of business is consideration of a negative instrument. Do members wish to make any comments on the instrument?

Members have no comments to make on the instrument. That concludes our proceedings in public.

11:44 Meeting continued in private until 12:08.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Okay, so it will not restrict the Government’s ability to deliver plans—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

You just said that you are going to have to look at ways in which you can operate better. Is that not a review of co-design?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

During our evidence taking for the bill, we heard from some of the biggest and most entrepreneurial farms and some of the smaller producers that they did not think that the base payment could continue forever and that it was a bit of a blunt instrument, although there was an appreciation that we have it to avoid a cliff edge. In your opinion, do we need to transition away from a basic payment on such a scale—the current 70 per cent—to a more targeted payment system? What are your views on how that might change? Would it be set out in the rural support plan, given that it will cover a five-year period?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the end of the evidence session, I think.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Minister, this is just a boorach, as they say. One of the committee’s big concerns has been that, in the autumn, we will potentially have a very large number of SSIs and policy detail to deal with, and we have been looking for a timetable for that secondary legislation. We are not going to get the rural support plan until we get some of the mechanisms for delivering what I would suggest should be in the plan, and they are not going to be delivered until a later date.

The plan is supposed to indicate the total amount of support that is expected over a period and describe the way in which that support is to be structured. However, we know that already, because it has already been announced—it is a 70:30 split. So, we are just getting information in dribs and drabs—the very thing that the committee was assured would not happen. We are getting SSIs that deliver some of the aspects of the rural support plan, but they are coming in dribs and drabs. Therefore, the committee’s ability to scrutinise the overall package is limited.

There have been announcements about the split and the total amount of support expected, but nothing else. We have not got the measures that are intended to benefit small producers, tenant farmers, crofters and whoever; we have been told that those will be developed for publication in December. It is all a bit of a mess, and it feels like the interim measures—that is, the legacy schemes that, from what you are saying, will form the bulk of the SSIs that we will see in October—just kick things down the road. The date by which the Government’s intentions should be laid out in the rural support plan is getting further and further away. We had a commitment that the plan would be published in summer 2024, and all we got was a framework. There was no plan—it was a framework.

We feel that we are not any further ahead. We are still operating in a vacuum, in terms of both information and the SSIs, and I am struggling to see how the committee can effectively scrutinise what is coming forward.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

When you were a member of the committee, did you expect that, when the timetable was set out, we were going to have the rural support plan and we would then have the Scottish statutory instruments—the secondary legislation that would put the meat on the bones of the 2024 act? Did you expect us only to be considering SSIs that would continue policies that had been set out in the 2020 act, rather than considering statutory instruments to deliver a new future for agricultural support payments?