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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Our next item of business is an evidence session on the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill with the Scottish Government bill team. We will hear from two panels of Scottish Government officials who are involved in the bill. First, we will discuss provisions in the bill on nature targets, environmental assessments and national parks. For this part of the meeting, I welcome Dr Jack Bloodworth, the principal science adviser from the rural and environmental science and analytical services division—my goodness, that is a mouthful—Leia Fitzgerald, head of the nature division bill unit; Lisa McCann, head of the biodiversity unit; Norman Munro, a solicitor from the marine, planning and natural resources division; and Joanne Napier, senior policy officer from the offshore energy environmental legislative reform unit. I thank you all for joining us this morning.

We have a lot of questions to get through in a limited time, so concise questions and answers would be appreciated. I also remind you that you do not need to operate your microphones. We have until approximately 10:30 for the first panel. I will kick off the questions.

The Scottish Government has overarching goals to deliver on its Scottish biodiversity strategy. How will the statutory nature targets help to achieve those goals, and how can that help in the fight to halt biodiversity loss by 2030 and to restore and regenerate biodiversity across the country by 2045?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Finlay Carson

The bill requires targets to be put in place within 12 months of its coming into force. That would be in 2026-27, and then 2030 is only three years down the road. Is there any chance at all that we might achieve the ambitions that are set out in the bill, with three years to reverse what is a biodiversity crisis?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Finlay Carson

You mentioned traceability. How do you ensure that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Finlay Carson

I am just concerned that we are taking away a licence that ensures standards but there is nothing in its place.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Tim, do you want to come in?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Finlay Carson

I have one final question, but first I want to go back to the topic that Tim Eagle referred to and ask about how the decision on the list of aims was made. The bill states:

“Without limit to the generality of subsection (1), those aims include”,

and then it sets out a list.

We must be conscious that, for Galloway, which is potentially going to be designated as a national park, its economic future is not reserved to recreation, tourism or visitor management. The most significant commercial forestry in Scotland is based in an area of Galloway; we have the most significant dairy industry in Scotland and, potentially, in the United Kingdom; and one of our areas has the highest concentration of renewables. However, those industries have been excluded from the list. It must have been a conscious decision not to mention them. Given that Galloway is the only area to have been identified as Scotland’s next national park, why do the aims seem to exclude all economic activity other than tourism and recreation?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Finlay Carson

At the moment, there are fixed-penalty notices for littering and fly-tipping in Loch Lomond and the Trossachs. Can you give examples of where else fixed-penalty notices might be used?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Finlay Carson

I am a bit confused. You said that NatureScot could ultimately say that the plan is the plan. However, section 16(3) amends an appeals process that is set out in schedule 2 of the 1996 act.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Okay. Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Finlay Carson

I can see there being issues in the future about legal obligations in the absence of any legal agreement.