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Thanks. That information would be interesting for the committee, if you can provide it.

The supplementary financial memorandum did not include any additional capital costs for the expansion to include eligible two-year-olds. Has there been any effort to look back by disaggregating the costs in order to allocate an estimated cost for the capital impact of the expansion to include two-year-olds?

It is not quite afternoon yet, and I promise that it will not be the afternoon by the time I finish these questions.

I am interested in continuing with Willie Rennie’s line of questioning and his reflection at the start about the difference in tone between how you are talking about your relationships with college management and what we heard last week from the trade unions. It is fair to say that the trade unions made it very clear in their evidence that there is a fundamental lack of trust between them and college management.

We have not heard from management yet, but it would be fair to say that that goes both ways. There seems to be more trust between you and management. I would be interested in any reflections that you have on that, but the first question that I have is about your relationship with the unions. You have said a lot about the ways in which you engage with college management. Do you have much regular contact with the lecturers union and with the support staff unions? Is that part of your week-to-week activities as student associations, or does that all sit quite separate from the work that you do?

It seems like there is an appetite for more engagement with unions. Has the barrier to that so far been one of capacity, because there are many demands on your times as student association officers, or is it the case that neither side has yet reached out to the other to make that a more structured and on-going relationship, which it perhaps could be? If it is the latter, it seems like an easy enough issue to solve. However, if the biggest barrier to your engaging with staff unions is a lack of capacity on one side or another, there is a bigger structural issue that we need to unpack there before we can fix that.

Thanks. That is all from me, convener.

If I could continue Willie Rennie’s theme of being provocative—I stress that I mean no offence by this—do you think that the fact that the student associations’ relationship with management also involves the funding that you receive from colleges has any bearing on the difference between the student associations’ and the unions’ relationships with management? Unions do not receive funding from college management; they receive membership dues. Do you ever feel that the financial relationship compromises your ability to be a bit tougher in that relationship and a bit more combative?

John O’Hara, I have a question for you about your relationship with the regional board. I was interested in what Heather Innes was saying about that being a positive relationship from her point of view but also that there is a variation in the relationship that the regional board has with individual colleges. From some of what we have heard previously, I think it is fair to say that, in Glasgow, although it is not accurate to say that the relationship with the regional board is challenging, it is the case that some folk would question what additional value that board is providing on top of the existing relationship between college management, staff unions, student associations and so on.

From the Lanarkshire perspective, is there an added value that you are seeing from having that additional level of regional infrastructure there? What is your relationship with the regional board like? Do you feel that you are getting something out of that, or are you just dealing primarily with management and the board level at your individual institution?

In the first instance, I have a couple of questions for Stuart Brown and the EIS. Your written briefing was very useful. It indicated that, as far as the EIS-FELA is concerned, the structures of the NJNC work well and there are more issues with, for example, the governance of individual college boards. Are you suggesting that the sustained industrial action that we have seen in seven of the past eight years has been caused largely by issues elsewhere—for example, with individual college principals or boards—rather than by any structural problems in the NJNC itself?

Yes, absolutely. Thanks, convener.

Thank you very much. I have heard suggestions from elsewhere that there are interpersonal issues on the NJNC—that largely the same group of people have sat on either side of the table for too long, which has built up personal challenges that are perhaps contributing to these tensions. From what you have both said this morning, it sounds as though, from your perspective, that is not necessarily the case, but that the issues are perhaps further upstream, on the employer side. Stuart, would it be correct to characterise your position as being that NJNC negotiations work well and that there are not necessarily any profound interpersonal issues there, but that the challenges are when the employer side negotiators go back to the employers association to get ratification of whatever agreement has been struck in the room?

Thank you very much.