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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 March 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Ross Greer

I have previously raised with you the issue of the small business bonus scheme. At present, shooting estates benefit from small business bonus scheme tax breaks. In the grand scheme of a £0.25 billion tax break programme, only something between £3 million and £5 million goes to shooting estates, but my view is certainly that they are not the intended recipients. We have discussed disaggregating the data and, in essence, separating shooting estates from crofts. Is the Scottish Government still intent on finding a solution to that? Does it believe that shooting estates should be excluded from the small business bonus scheme if the issue with the data disaggregation can be resolved?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Ross Greer

Thanks. That is useful.

There is one point of clarification that I would find useful, given something that the First Minister said last week in the context of an exchange about income tax. He was quite firm in saying that there will be no further tax changes this side of the election. Was he specifically referring to income tax or was that a wider statement about all devolved taxes? If potential tweaks to council tax are identified that have cross-party agreement—potentially to go further on second and empty homes—is the Government’s position that they will not take place this side of the election either, or was he just referring to income tax?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Ross Greer

That would be helpful. Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Ross Greer

I take the point that the corporate body is not the employer of MSP staff, but, at the same time, clearly MSPs cannot pay them any more than is within our staff cost provision. I also acknowledge Jackson Carlaw’s point that not all MSPs fully utilise that provision as it is.

However, the core of the objection from the MSP staff unions—the three that wrote to the corporate body—is that the move to using AWE represents a cut. Further, AWE is not directly linked to the cost of living. It relates to the earnings of other workers outside the Parliament rather than directly to the cost of rent, food, energy bills and so on for the staff who work here. Did you take that into consideration when you looked at the basket of measures? I accept that, in any individual year, any individual measure can be deeply flawed, but that was perhaps an advantage of using the basket approach. Did you take into account the fact that AWE does not directly reflect the cost of living? It does so indirectly, but not in the same way as a direct inflation measure such as CPI.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Ross Greer

That would be useful.

Finally, alongside the draft budget, the Government published a memorandum on borrowing policy that includes a section on the first phase of due diligence around the issuing of Scottish Government bonds. A list of conclusions is included, rather than any detail on what that first phase threw up. Is there any more detailed documentation on that in the public domain? If there is, I was unable to find it. If not, could the details of that first phase of due diligence be published? What is in the borrowing memorandum document is very high level.

Were the Scottish Government to move ahead with issuing bonds, it would be a significant step and one that would require significant parliamentary scrutiny. At the moment, there is not enough on the public record to allow effective scrutiny to begin. I recognise that it is only the first phase of due diligence, but I do not think that what is there is sufficient for transparency.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Ross Greer

That is a welcome clarification. I do not mean this as a criticism of Councillor Hagmann, but, having met her and COSLA on several occasions recently and discussed issues related to this, I was not aware that she, on behalf of the joint working group, is trying to identify points of potential agreement between the parties. It is useful to hear the clarification, given that most of the parties’ finance spokespersons are in this room, that that is one of the purposes of the discussions and that they feed back up to the joint working group.

For absolute clarity, given what you said about the lead-up to the election, is it not your expectation that any substantial reform will take place ahead of the election? There may be reforms around the edges, such as the one that we mentioned on second and empty homes, but it sounds like you are saying that there will not be progress, or even agreement, on this side of the election about things that have been raised before, such as revaluation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Ross Greer

Just to clarify, are you saying that, timescale and context aside, given the consideration that took place last year, the Government recognises that there is potential value to that policy? Should the right circumstances come about—the right economic context and wider UK tax context—is there potential to introduce that policy in recognition of its value?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Ross Greer

I will return to the questions around the staff cost provision. I refer to my entry in the register of members’ interests, as I am a member of the National Union of Journalists, which is one of the unions that represents MSP staff and has made representation to the SPCB.

In a joint letter that you received, the GMB, the NUJ and the parliamentary group staff union took issue with the SPCB’s decision to move solely to AWE as opposed to having a basket of measures. In the first instance, can you outline what level of engagement the corporate body has with unions—both those representing SPCB staff and the MSP staff unions—ahead of making such a decision?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Ross Greer

Thanks very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Ross Greer

It would be useful if you could write to the committee about that, because the commitment was made some time ago. I recognise the challenges with the legislative timescale.

On the wider point about the reform of local government finances and specifically council tax, the committee made a recommendation in our pre-budget scrutiny report that was based on comments that you made to us previously about the Government’s perception that it is very difficult to make progress on substantive council tax reform without cross-party consensus. That was an entirely fair and legitimate point, but, in our report, the committee put it back to the Government and asked what steps it is taking to create the space in which that consensus can emerge.

I was quite disappointed by the Government’s response to that recommendation in our report, because it indicated that there would be no further action—essentially, it was a recap of what the joint working group with local government has already done. Will you clarify what your expectation or desire is for May 2026 on council tax reform? What does the Government want to achieve in the remainder of this parliamentary session?

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