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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ross Greer

Yes, but would you like to start the process of revaluation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ross Greer

Thank you. I have not asked about the national performance framework yet, but I am conscious of time. Convener, do I have time to do that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ross Greer

That is fine. We will cover the NPF in our session with the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic. I will come back to that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ross Greer

I am sorry to cut in, cabinet secretary—it is a bit of both. It is exactly what you say about quantifying evidence of the outcomes, but it is also about being able to evidence that that was the Government’s intention in the first place.

Last week or a couple of weeks ago, we had a witness who rhymed off the last half dozen of the Government’s major strategy documents across a range of portfolios. I will leave the PFG aside for the moment and come back to it. If I am getting this right, I think that four of the six documents made no reference to the national performance framework, and the other two made passing reference, but there was nothing specific about individual outcomes. Do you recognise the challenge there? How has it come about that the Government, which is, as you say, committed to the national performance framework, is consistently publishing high-level, significant documents to outline its strategy, but those documents do not reference the NPF? That is a problem, is it not?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ross Greer

I think that Keith McDonald is looking to come in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ross Greer

I do not disagree with you at all that the outcomes are what is important in this context and that that is primarily what the Government is held to account for. Nevertheless, do you recognise that there is also a leadership role for the Government here? The Government does not expect the NPF to be used only by the Government directly and public bodies more widely. The Government expects everybody—the whole of society and the whole economy, including business and so on—to embrace the national performance framework, so the Government itself should visibly embrace it. Otherwise, it is hard to see how the leadership role is being performed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ross Greer

Thank you. That is all from me.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ross Greer

I have a couple of questions about the national performance framework and local government finances, but before I get to them, I would like to follow up on Michelle Thomson’s lines of questioning, which I found interesting.

First, on air passenger duty—or air departure tax—and the subsidy control issue with regard to lifeline routes, are you able to confirm whether the new UK Government agrees, at least in principle, on the need to resolve that? We need to deliver on something that we all agreed to devolve 10 years ago, but we also need to protect support for the lifeline routes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ross Greer

I will move on to the other areas that I had planned to ask about. First, on local government finance reform, the joint working group with COSLA has not met since the Government changed back in April. Should we read much into that? Why has it been so long since that group last met?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Ross Greer

I absolutely agree on that. On exactly that point, what is your expectation for outcomes by the end of this parliamentary session on local government finance reform? Is there an ambition to have made a decision by March or April 2026 on council tax revaluation, a replacement system or additional new powers that are entirely separate? What is your expectation of where we will be? How much will have changed by then, or how much will at least be in motion by then, recognising that some of the reforms would be multiyear and quite complex ones?