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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

Absolutely. Thank you.

Sarah Collins, you mentioned the view of the EIS Further Education Lecturers Association—or EIS-FELA—that the SFC has existing powers, but it does not use them. Are you talking primarily about the clawback of finances, or are there other powers that the SFC is currently not exercising, or not exercising sufficiently?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

If it is your position that, although it could have more powers, the SFC already has a sufficient level of power in this area that it is not using, am I paraphrasing the EIS correctly in saying that, from your perspective, there would be more benefit in putting more duties on the SFC to exercise these powers than giving it more powers without any duty to exercise them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

Your submission makes an important point about the duty on the institutions to “have regard to” the SFC’s guidance perhaps not being strong enough, as they can just have regard to it without having to follow through on it, and there appears to be no clear recourse if that is what transpires.

Do you have any alternative proposals? How much further than having regard to the guidance would it be appropriate to go? Your ULA section, the EIS University Lecturers Association, makes the point that reclassification is certainly a balancing act for universities, while colleges have a bit more flexibility. How far would you like the bill to go with the duty on the institutions to do what the SFC tells them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

I apologise to the witnesses now, as I need to head off to another appointment before the end of the meeting.

I come to Vikki Manson first. You spoke about the absence of the word “employer” in the bill, which was interesting, and you highlighted the apprenticeship committee as a specific example of where the employer voice can be heard. That is useful—parliamentary committees are always keen for witnesses to make specific proposals for how a bill can be improved.

Do you have any other proposals for how we can make sure that the voice of employers, industry or business—however we are phrasing it—is heard? That could involve amendments to the bill, or changes that could be made as part of the transition process rather than in primary legislation, to ensure that the employer voice is mainstreamed through the system.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

When it comes to funding apprenticeships, do you have the power to claw money back or to disqualify a provider where there have been fair work issues—for example, where the apprentice has not been treated appropriately or where minimum wage levels have not been adhered to?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

It is quite reactive.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

Thanks very much.

Mary, you mentioned this a moment ago to Pam Duncan-Glancy, but the UCU submission contains proposals for more engagement at a national level between the SFC and unions on issues such as fair work. What outcomes are you looking for in that respect? You will forgive me, but one part of the system that I am less familiar with is the United Kingdom-wide collective bargaining aspects, and I am interested in how they would interact with a new national-level system, structure or framework in Scotland on issues such as fair work not just at an individual institution level but with the national funding body.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

Are you looking for those discussions to result in the SFC mandating that, for example, a reduction in casualisation or zero-hours contracts be part of the outcome agreement for a university’s funding?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

Could we legislate for anything to address the costs? Most of the time, cost issues are policy and operational matters, but they are still under our purview. Could we alter or amend anything in the bill to address some of those concerns?