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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Ross Greer

You did. I am asking you whether you think that it was worth the distress and upset that it caused. I presume, by accepting it, you believe that it was.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Ross Greer

I do not think that it would have made people feel more secure; I think that it would have avoided the loss of even more confidence that many staff feel in the senior management team overall. I acknowledge that it would not have solved the problem and that it would not have made staff feel any happier. My point is that your accepting the increase further damaged what little trust staff have in the senior management team. Those considerations need to be taken on board in the future on an on-going basis, but particularly at a point of what we all acknowledge is a financial crisis. That should be an active point of consideration for the senior management team in the future. However, I accept the answer that you have given.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Ross Greer

I acknowledge that. However, I go back to the assessment of your estate. Has your estates director been given a deadline for reporting to the executive team? Does the court have any indication of when a paper could be tabled for consideration?

10:45  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Ross Greer

I do not like interrupting but, to be clear, I understand entirely the process. I am familiar with remuneration committee processes. My question is to you, as somebody who accepted the increase. Do you think that it was worth the distress and the damage to staff morale for staff who face losing their jobs entirely and who, in most cases, are paid less than a 10th of what you are to see you getting a pay increase on an already incredibly substantial pay package, which puts you in the top 0.5 per cent of earners in Scotland? Was it worth it? That is what I am asking.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Ross Greer

He is just intrigued.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Ross Greer

That is fair enough. I would broadly agree with that. I think that Universities Scotland makes a fair point about simply wanting to understand what the Government is looking for.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Ross Greer

If they have already taken voluntary packages, I will not pursue the matter further, but I echo your hope that we can find a way to retain the skills and knowledge that they have built up in the sector.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Ross Greer

I know that last week’s Official Report has not been published yet.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Ross Greer

Drafting instructions have already been requested on the matter.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Ross Greer

I appreciate that. To make broaden out my point—this overlaps somewhat with John Mason’s line of questioning about powers of compulsion in relation to information provision and the Dundee example—two quite different points of view have been put to us, not only in this evidence session but during the past couple of years.

The Educational Institute of Scotland has articulated the issue most clearly. It believes that the SFC has simply not exercised the powers that are already available to it to address poor governance and decision making in relation to not just financial viability but other matters, such as the erosion of fair work principles in particular, at institutions. The alternative position that the previous SFC chief executive articulated—I think that she said this when she last gave evidence to us before leaving the post—was that the SFC had insufficient powers of compulsion in relation to institutions.

The question that I have put to a lot of the witnesses whom we have spoken to so far has been about clawback. The SFC can claw back public money that has been provided to anyone that it funds. It is an incredibly blunt tool, and in many situations it would actually make things worse, particularly financial crises. As a result of the bill, would the SFC have sufficient powers to be able to exercise appropriate influence, and do you accept the point that clawback, although perhaps sometimes an effective stick to wield, will not be an effective means of enforcement or compulsion—however you want to word it—nine times out of 10?