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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

I apologise to the witnesses now, as I need to head off to another appointment before the end of the meeting.

I come to Vikki Manson first. You spoke about the absence of the word “employer” in the bill, which was interesting, and you highlighted the apprenticeship committee as a specific example of where the employer voice can be heard. That is useful—parliamentary committees are always keen for witnesses to make specific proposals for how a bill can be improved.

Do you have any other proposals for how we can make sure that the voice of employers, industry or business—however we are phrasing it—is heard? That could involve amendments to the bill, or changes that could be made as part of the transition process rather than in primary legislation, to ensure that the employer voice is mainstreamed through the system.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

When it comes to funding apprenticeships, do you have the power to claw money back or to disqualify a provider where there have been fair work issues—for example, where the apprentice has not been treated appropriately or where minimum wage levels have not been adhered to?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

It is quite reactive.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

Thanks very much.

Mary, you mentioned this a moment ago to Pam Duncan-Glancy, but the UCU submission contains proposals for more engagement at a national level between the SFC and unions on issues such as fair work. What outcomes are you looking for in that respect? You will forgive me, but one part of the system that I am less familiar with is the United Kingdom-wide collective bargaining aspects, and I am interested in how they would interact with a new national-level system, structure or framework in Scotland on issues such as fair work not just at an individual institution level but with the national funding body.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

Are you looking for those discussions to result in the SFC mandating that, for example, a reduction in casualisation or zero-hours contracts be part of the outcome agreement for a university’s funding?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

Could we legislate for anything to address the costs? Most of the time, cost issues are policy and operational matters, but they are still under our purview. Could we alter or amend anything in the bill to address some of those concerns?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Ross Greer

I turn to Paul Campbell. In answer to the convener’s first question, Vikki Manson talked about the value of SAAB and the role that it plays in the current system. Working on the premise that the bill will be passed, are you clear about the status of SAAB during the transition period before we get to the new system? Has Government conveyed to you its expectations of SAAB during the transition period to the new dawn, whatever that may be?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ross Greer

Yes—there is definitely a way that we can rebalance the parliamentary week. That goes back to what I said about the value of chamber time. I absolutely agree on the importance of getting out of the building, not only for teamwork and team bonding but for the perspectives that we would get.

I almost pose this as a question, because I am not, and have not been, a committee convener—I know that there are multiple current and former conveners in the room. My understanding, having been a member of multiple committees in the past, is that the challenge in getting authorisation to go outwith this building is often in getting the Conveners Group to sign off on that. That has varied, depending on the composition of the Conveners Group over the decade that I have been here.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ross Greer

Very briefly, on defining committee roles, I think that we could do a lot more at the start of the session, both in how we define the committee roles and in the new member induction.

In its recent review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development clearly recommended more training for all members of Parliament on issues of financial scrutiny. We have certainly been aware of that issue in the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Members on other committees realise that the financial issues around most of what we deal with in Parliament are difficult, but they think, “It’s fine—don’t worry; there will be a financial memorandum, and the finance committee will deal that.” We want every committee to be a finance committee.