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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Good morning—it is just about still morning.

Mr Watson, you have just answered my question on AST, so there is not much to add. What happened at AST is clear. It had a future in a market that is booming and growing in Scotland and across the world. It should have been supported by as many parts of the public sector as possible but, due to its structural arrangements, it was simply unable to stay solvent. That is my summary.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

So, in your view, not signing off the accounts was the right and proper thing to do.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Thank you. Living quarter to quarter financially is not great for any organisation. You have staff wages to pay. I have spoken with some of the college tutors at Perth and they admit that they did not always realise the bigger picture of college finances, how perilous they were and that their salaries might not go into their bank accounts that month. I guess that you do not want to advertise on the walls of the college that you are running out of cash this month.

I want to talk about some of the mitigating measures that you took to make ends meet. If at any point you were running out of cash, how were you able to make ends meet? Were you given loan funding? Was there bridging funding from the SFC? Were you simply taking money out of future pots of cash to suck into this quarter from the next? I could not quite understand how you were able to pay the bills.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Sure, and again, you cannot answer for the current scenario because you are no longer in the organisation, so those are questions to be directed to others. From my point of view, what I have heard this morning is a prime example of what is wrong in the college sector in Scotland and of how perilous it is, how teetering on that cliff edge of financial meltdown some of the colleges are. Here is a prime example of that—there are others; we all have anecdotal stories from our regions—playing out in practice, unfortunately.

The Scottish Government is considering the transformation of the model or the role of colleges in the skills sector and in educating Scotland’s young people. Any such transformation would benefit from the sort of feedback that we have had from you this morning, particularly Mr Watson, given your industry experience. I hope that that is something that you would consider, if you are ever asked.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

I think that you are right. I think, too, that people would understand that, for every pound raised, not exactly a pound would go full circle and come back to the Scottish Government. There is an element of acceptance that there is a complex settlement agreement and that the financial relationship between the UK Government and the Scottish Government is complicated, and that calculation is not always obvious to the public, as you have alluded to. However, people might be surprised about how little comes back—based on the statistic that you mentioned in your opening statement, it is about 30 per cent of the extra money, which they pay. We are talking about people who go out to work, pay their taxes and assume that most of that money will come full circle and go back to the Government that is taxing them in the first place, given that these are devolved decisions. The fact that so little of it comes back to the Government is what people will be surprised about. They will want to understand why so little of that extra money that they are giving to the Government is available to it to spend on public services. That may affect people’s choices—it may affect their ability to have faith in paying more tax, if you like.

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

What I am getting at is whether bands or rates have changed, and whether thresholds have increased by a maximum of inflation over that period.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Thank you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

The committee has looked a lot at the diversification of the college sector and its involvement with private or quasi-private companies or entities as a means of supporting business and skills in local communities and of generating revenue. We have considered whether there is an inherent conflict of interest between a college’s core function—delivering courses on a credit system for the SFC—and partnerships with third parties, such as the business sector, including big companies such as Boeing. We see examples of that across the country, some of which have not gone terribly well and have ended up in exactly the same situation as AST. Is there an inherent problem with that model? Alternatively, could it be developed if it was done properly?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

That now sits on your balance sheet anyway as loan funding, presumably.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

I will end on that note. Thank you.