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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2024
Jamie Greene
It is quite unusual for the chair of a board of a public body such as this to take umbrage with a Government cabinet secretary on their assertion that the board has not followed adequate processes for such settlements. Indeed, your evidence this morning seems to push back on that and to be expressed in rather defensive terms, rather than accepting that failings occurred. Why is that? It is unusual.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2024
Jamie Greene
It did not happen.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2024
Jamie Greene
Does all that not paint a picture of there being wider issues? There are two, in particular. One is the board’s oversight of what was going on at WICS at an operational level. The other is the breakdown in the relationship between the sponsoring division of the Scottish Government and the board itself. I will ask each of you to comment on those.
I will come to Mr MacRae first. Given the content of the section 22 report, including numerous references to matters such as patterns of culture and behaviour, which clearly did not happen overnight but had developed over a period of time, how did it come to this? How did we get to a scenario where we needed a section 22 report, the involvement of external auditors and the resignation of a CEO for things to change? What on earth was the board doing for all those years?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2024
Jamie Greene
Talk me through what happened next. The options were debated, and I understand that the option that was chosen was a settlement agreement. Is that correct?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2024
Jamie Greene
It states here, in an email from you to Mr Satti, who is sitting to your right, that
“the CEO tendered his resignation in December following the pending Section 22 report”.
Was there a causal link between the section 22 report and his resignation?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2024
Jamie Greene
I am happy to correct the record—I was referring not to the former CEO but to the current COO.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2024
Jamie Greene
The former CEO resigned as a result of that report. That is what it says in an email from Mr MacRae to you, Mr Satti, on Wednesday 20 March. It states:
“David,
As you are aware, the CEO tendered his resignation in December following the pending Section 22 report from the Auditor General.”
Your view is that the section 22 report was the trigger for his resignation.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2024
Jamie Greene
You made the link, though. Why is that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2024
Jamie Greene
What options did the board consider, other than accepting his resignation?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2024
Jamie Greene
Yes, but you could summarise the options that were open to you, so that we can get to how you came to the decision that you made.