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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 January 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Jamie Greene

I have a lot of questions, so I will rattle through rather than ask the whole panel to respond. I ask for brief responses.

That is a valid conversation. The reason why I raised the issue is that those of us sitting round the table, and the public who are watching, are absolutely right to be outraged by £400 boozy lunches and people flying first class for training courses.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Jamie Greene

Either you knew that there were issues but said that there were not any in the report, in which case the report was false, or you missed all those issues and, if that is the case, how could you have missed them when Audit Scotland found them?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Jamie Greene

Yes, but my question is not about any of that. My question is about your role and the role of the gentleman sitting to your right and the fact that, as two members of the board, you failed to identify any of the corporate governance issues in your annual report. Why?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Jamie Greene

He was not under investigation, but he was clearly under a lot of pressure to respond to a very serious allegation by Audit Scotland about corporate governance. While that process was going on, and you were, I presume, waiting on a response, he handed in his notice. He was required to give you six months’ notice so, rather than have him hanging around for six months, was he allowed to leave with immediate effect and a six-month pay-off?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Jamie Greene

This is a wide-ranging report, but I appreciate that we are short of time, so I will focus on specific areas, particularly the operational performance of the NHS, which affects the public more than some of the other issues.

The first obvious area to cover is where we are on waiting time targets. In that respect, the report makes grim reading. Albeit that the exhibit goes up only to September 2023, it seems to me that none of the eight key metrics on performance against waiting times is being met, and that some are failing by quite some margin—in particular, accident and emergency treatment times, the standard that cancer treatment should start within 62 days, and the 12-week in-patient and out-patient targets. What is your general view on whether things are getting slightly better or whether the long-term trend, certainly from 2018 to now, has been a trajectory of increased waiting times?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Jamie Greene

My next question is on that—do not worry.

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Jamie Greene

That sounds good. Thank you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Jamie Greene

That is interesting. Other pieces of legislation going through other committees are looking at the remand issue. Certainly, in any interactions that I have had with the judiciary, there is very much a feeling that remand is used as a last resort, with the presumption against releasing people when they are charged and go back to court.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Jamie Greene

Would you recommend that if that were the case?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Jamie Greene

Indeed. I am sure that we could have a whole session on whether public services are fit for purpose once people are released, and another one on rehabilitation and what we are doing right or not doing right in Scotland.

My final point is a grave one: deaths in custody. Across prisons and other forms of custody, it is estimated that there are around four deaths per week. Those are not solely in prisons, of course, but a worryingly large number of people are dying in the different levels of the prison estate. Is that part of your watching brief? Do you have any views on that, or have you performed any analysis of why those numbers are so high? Have you made any recommendations to the Prison Service or to ministers on how that number can be reduced?