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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

But this is not about Northern Ireland.

Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Okay. I say respectfully that the question was about one of the three pillars that you laid out regarding your rationale for opposition to granting consent. One of those pillars was to do with the concept of whether immunity should be granted in certain scenarios, which is a philosophical question. Does the cabinet secretary not agree that that might be a useful tool for the new commission to have in the box to maintain on-going peace? It is quite a well-established protocol; the Good Friday agreement itself was, in effect, one great amnesty for people on many sides of the troubles. Therefore, it would be a continuation of that. I am still struggling to understand what the political opposition to it is.

Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Does the cabinet secretary believe that it would create any problems or any opportunities if the legislation were to go ahead without Scotland participating in it, as Scotland has a separate legal system? What risk analysis has been done of the bill passing in Westminster without Scotland participating in it?

Could that undermine any policy objectives of the legislation? Would it undermine the work of the independent commission? Indeed, could it render much of the legislation useless, for example if someone who was an accused person was residing in Scotland and would therefore be prosecuted in Scotland, rather than anywhere else in the United Kingdom? Has the Government done any analysis of what that potential outcome or scenario might look like?

Criminal Justice Committee

Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

I merely say that I am intrigued to see how we will make a half-hour debate out of this subject next week. I look forward to hearing the minister’s comments.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

I was referring to the letter from the cabinet secretary, at the third substantive paragraph on page 3 in our papers. It states:

“Each Health Board is providing access to a mental health clinician, accessible to police officers, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week”.

I presume that that means that each board is currently providing access—that is what the letter implies. That apparent 24/7 provision is a surprise to me. The feedback is very much that that is not the case out of hours, that police officers must deal with mental health assessments and that there is not 24/7 access to mental health clinicians for every officer. I find it difficult to believe the claim that every health board is currently providing a 24/7 mental health clinician service. If it is true, that is welcome, but we could perhaps benefit from more detail on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

I want to comment on that second level. Obviously, the SPF has seen the draft—I presume that it is a draft—of the constitution that has been published. It has made specific comments as to the content of a number of paragraphs—3, 9, 37, 42, 43, 44 and 45. To go back to my original question, will there be scope for the constitution to be amended prior to being finalised?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Does the Government have any override function, in terms of decisions that are made?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Right.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Yes. Specifically on that, although the letter from the SPF is a matter of public record, it is worth saying on the record that the SPF feedback on section 37 of the constitution states:

“There seems to be scope for either of the Sides to prevent such a matter going to arbitration or for the Chairperson to decide not to refer a matter to arbitration and this could lead to a deadlock.”

On section 42, the SPF states:

“It is hard to envisage the Board failing to make recommendations based on an arbitration award. It seems to open the door for either Side to delay or block a PNB agreement based on an arbitration award and this would be highly unsatisfactory.”

I guess that I am looking for feedback on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Thank you for that clarity.

Finally, what role would the Scottish ministers play in any of these proceedings?