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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

The committee has looked a lot at the diversification of the college sector and its involvement with private or quasi-private companies or entities as a means of supporting business and skills in local communities and of generating revenue. We have considered whether there is an inherent conflict of interest between a college’s core function—delivering courses on a credit system for the SFC—and partnerships with third parties, such as the business sector, including big companies such as Boeing. We see examples of that across the country, some of which have not gone terribly well and have ended up in exactly the same situation as AST. Is there an inherent problem with that model? Alternatively, could it be developed if it was done properly?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

That now sits on your balance sheet anyway as loan funding, presumably.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

I will end on that note. Thank you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

The graphs in the report are helpful for understanding something that is quite complex.

Auditor General, the current Scottish Government was elected in 2021. In advance of that election, it made the following statement—a promise, I suppose—to the public. It said that it would

“freeze income tax rates and bands and increase thresholds by a maximum of inflation”.

Based on your analysis of the Scottish budget over the past couple of years, has that been the case?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

My original question was whether it is Audit Scotland’s understanding that changes have occurred to tax bands, rates and thresholds since 2021. My understanding is that that has happened.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

A key element of your report is about transparency and accuracy for the public. The statement was repeated last week during First Minister’s questions, so it is an issue that comes up regularly at the forefront of political debate. Not for the sake of political debate but for the sake of transparency with the public, if the person in charge of the country is making statements about taxation and the state of Scotland’s finances, surely, in terms of accuracy and transparency, they have to be 100 per cent open, honest and clear.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Indeed. As I said at the beginning, it was in a sector that Scotland could benefit from massively if it was to grow and be invested in.

I will move on. You have had your fair share of questions this morning about what happened on the budget, so there is no merit in rehashing any of that. I believe that you have answered as openly and frankly as you can in the circumstances. I am not yet 100 per cent convinced that I see appropriate levels of contrition, but I understand the circumstances that you have been in. I also understand the circumstances of the college financially and the wider sector, all of which I believe are perhaps mitigating factors in what happened and the need for a section 22 report.

Nonetheless, it is very unusual for Audit Scotland to produce a report of this nature. It is quite a short report. I do not mean this in any combative way, Dr Cook, but, at the beginning, you were asked a very straightforward question about whether you accept the content of the report. There are only 41 paragraphs and nine pages, so it is not the biggest report that the committee has considered. The answer to that question really is yes or no. If the answer is yes—that you accept all of it—that is fine. If the answer is no—that you accept none of it—that is equally fine. If you are somewhere in the middle, what I want to know is: which bits of it do you not accept?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

I am not reflecting on anything that was said at the beginning; I am just reflecting on the fact that, for whatever reason, you could not genuinely accept the 41 paragraphs in the report. I was trying to unearth which elements of the report you felt do not reflect the true nature of what happened and what was going on. During the meeting, you have listed quite a lot of background that is not in the report—I say that with no disrespect to the Auditor General.

I should also say that we often have reports of this nature across quite a wide range of sectors and public sector bodies, and we have invited former members of staff and board chairs to appear, but they have not done so. The fact that you are here speaks volumes, and I would like to thank you for that.

However, there are one or two unanswered questions. Those are around signing off the accounts and, presumably, what would have been the signing off of a budget, had it been produced. Mr Watson, you said that you, as a director, could not and would not sign off UHI Perth as a going concern, because at the time it simply was not. Did you sign off the accounts in that financial year, though, for audit purposes? There is a bit of a conflict there.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Is there a fundamental issue with the model of the University of the Highlands and Islands? Colleges—providing HE, to be fair, as well as further education—are somehow umbilically linked to it and by default UHI top slices their revenue for whichever purpose, to contribute to its own revenue as a university. Does that model work? At what point could UHI Perth simply have said, “The model is not working. We would prefer to be a stand-alone college, an entity with a direct relationship with the SFC, providing college courses that meet the skills needs of our local community,” and cut that cord with UHI? Was that discussed? Would that have been of any benefit? Is that a model that could exist?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Thank you, convener. Good morning. The report highlights the perilous state of Scotland’s finances in relation to devolved taxes. In your opening statement, you said that the Scottish Government is not being transparent and clear enough with the public about additional taxes paid in Scotland relative to the net benefit to the Scottish Government. Indeed, you said that the contribution of devolved taxes, or additional taxes paid by Scots, is constrained. Why is that the case?