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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
Jamie Greene
Do you think that Audit Scotland gives enough cognisance to some of the factors that may explain why audited bodies have been unable to implement recommendations? There are a number of external factors. Your recommendations talk a lot about financial sustainability and workforce issues, but there is also a wider regulatory and legislative environment that these bodies are working in, which is outside of their control. Do you think that your focus is too much on whether a body did or did not deliver on the recommendations and does not acknowledge that, even if they wanted to deliver on them, it might be impossible for them to do so?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Jamie Greene
I can tell you: it was the points. These are live conversations, which I am sure happen with sponsorship divisions as well, among the recruiting people. If someone does not get more than 70 points, and someone got 69, they are shortlisted for the next stage, and I find that an odd way of doing it.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Jamie Greene
Would it be helpful if the commissioner was able to do that as part of its role?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Jamie Greene
Is that people behaving inappropriately in the public sphere in their language or the treatment of staff?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Jamie Greene
That is quite worrying. My last question in this session—and indeed the next one—is on NHS boards. Do you have any current emerging concerns about behaviour in boards or the quality of board members? We are trying to get as much out of you as we can about the state of the NHS in Scotland.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Jamie Greene
Thank you, convener. I would like to talk about governance, particularly around high-level appointments and the boards of the NHS boards, if you like. Ms Lamb, you will obviously be aware of the extremely high turnover in chief executives of the territorial boards. Over the past couple of years, 10 of the 14 territorial boards have had a change at the top. Why is that the case?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Jamie Greene
Is that a good thing? We talked about that earlier in our evidence session with the Ethical Standards Commissioner. I do not know whether you watched that.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Jamie Greene
That is very helpful. You mentioned that the high level of turnover among NHS chief executives is due in large part to retirement. If I understood you correctly, in the past two years, eight of the 14 NHS board chief executives have left due to retirement. Is that just unfortunate coincidence or is it spectacularly bad planning?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Jamie Greene
Okay—it is just a coincidence, then. However, we have also seen a lot of turnover at IJBs. Audit Scotland reported that over half of IJBs had a turnover of senior leadership positions involving either their chief officer or chief financial officers in the year 2023-24—over half of IJBs had changes at that leadership level. Were those also retirements? Were people moving on to other parts of the health system? Were people sacked for poor governance or performance?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Jamie Greene
I will ask a more direct question. Is it appropriate for the chief executive or chair of the non-executive board of an NHS board that is under special measures, for example, to be allowed to apply for a job in another NHS board? Is that a sign of success in their role?