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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

How can you provide a view on a business case that has been presented to you after the deal has been done?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

The payment was made; it was too late—the ship had sailed—so WICS or the board or someone within WICS came to the Government looking for retrospective approval of a business case for something that had already happened. Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

The letter in March from the Cabinet Secretary for Wellbeing Economy, Net Zero and Energy—Ms McAllan at the time—to you, as the chair, Mr MacRae, is quite damning. Do you have it in front of you?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

Okay, so let us look at the letter. First, the cabinet secretary seems to imply that she is pleased that the CEO has exited with immediate effect,

“given the nature of the serious failings that were identified”.

However, she says that it has been brought her attention that,

“in choosing a Settlement Agreement to conclude the departure ... the Board failed to follow due process.”

I will repeat that: the board failed to follow due process. Do you accept that the board failed to follow due process?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

I apologise for interrupting but, if the Scottish Government’s view is that there is a recurring breach of the governance framework and major issues from the top down, can you not do anything about it? Is there no recourse in a case of such constant breaches?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

I am grateful for your humility in that respect.

10:45  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

Do you think that it was related—

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

I will close off the issue of executive training by referring to correspondence from the former COO to Donald MacRae, Robin McGill and David Satti. I was quite surprised when I read the email chain from March 2024, in which the former COO expressed the view that they had requested a much cheaper, more local option for advanced management training, but there seemed to be an insistence on the use of North American institutions such as Harvard, Yale and Stanford. Why was that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

I am specifically not mentioning names, because our lines of questioning are about processes and practices, rather than individuals and personalities, and I want to stick to that.

Let us talk about the former CEO’s position and departure—I am sure that you will be expecting this question to come up. When did the former CEO get sight of the section 22 report, and what was his reaction to it? Does anyone recall?

10:15  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Jamie Greene

Do you think that it was related to the content of the section 22 report, which clearly highlighted a number of the issues that the committee is interested in?