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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jamie Greene

Okay, thank you for that.

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jamie Greene

Okay. Is there a risk, though, that you have created a benefit that simply can never be reduced or taken away because it is politically impossible to do so, as many Governments of many colours have learned over the years? There are difficult decisions to make to try to reduce the benefits bill, which in our case is growing year on year and is projected to rise probably for the next five to 10 years. No one can ever do anything about that, because once you have put that money in someone’s pocket, it is very difficult to take it away from them.

Indeed, off the back of the independent review of ADP, which suggests an expansion of the eligibility criteria, even more people will be coming into the system. We have created this huge beast that will just grow and grow. I am not saying that that is a bad thing, but it has to be paid for.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jamie Greene

I will ask about that, as outcomes are important. I am really interested in the idea of long-term sustainability, which is valid and which the committee will look at for years to come, I suspect. However, if you are saying that ADP makes people’s lives better and healthier, in what way does it do that? I am looking for an evidence-based answer; we have to be driven by evidence.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jamie Greene

Let us look at the reality of the college sector’s finances. You said that eight out of 10 colleges are forecast to report a deficit. When might that take place, and what happens when a college reports a deficit? How would they be able to sign off accounts and what governance issues would they face? If a business was in that position, it would be unsustainable—it would close down. Is there a risk that some colleges could close?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jamie Greene

You made a number of recommendations. What is your principal or most important recommendation on how we get the sector back on its feet?

This is not a new problem. I sat on the Education and Skills Committee five years ago and the college sector then was crying out for cash and warning of job cuts, course cuts and fewer students, with the negative outcomes that that would have for society and the Scottish economy. Here we are today and I am afraid that the proof is in the pudding in your briefing today. Something has to give. Colleges Scotland calls it a “fork in the road”. Of the recommendations that you have made, what do you consider that the Scottish Government should focus on first?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Greene

I ask that question because there is an interesting quote on page 22 of your report from an unnamed children’s services staff member, who, I assume, is trying to deliver the Promise. They are quoted as saying:

“does GIRFEC sit above The Promise or does The Promise provide a framework in which GIRFEC then sits?”

Do you have a view on the answer to that question?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Greene

The system sure is complex. In relation to the workforce, which I will ask about in a moment, I was quite struck by exhibit 8, which shows that somebody who works in social care or the care sector faces 60 different—and sometimes competing—pieces of legislation and policies. That is a complex landscape for somebody on the front line, who might be dealing with very difficult situations, to navigate simply in order to do their day job. That is testament to those staff. That was a statement rather than a question for you, Auditor General.

You go into great detail on the whole family wellbeing fund. What is the situation? Four or five years ago, the Government announced a dedicated £500 million—£0.5 billion—to deliver the Promise. That is a substantial amount of money. You say that the Scottish Government “introduced”—that is your terminology—£0.5 billion. I do not know what “introduced” means. Does it mean that the Government spent, made available or delivered that money? In the next paragraph, you say that, to date, only £148 million of that funding has been committed in budgets or is visible in budgets, so there is £352 million that has not been spent or simply does not exist. Do we know why that is the case?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Greene

Thank you very much. I will pick up on something that you just said that I find very interesting. That figure of £770 million is, of course, based on a number of assumptions, but it also assumes that the status quo will continue for the next five years and does not take into account the Government’s response to any of your recommendations. Therefore the obvious question is this. If, in an ideal world, from your point of view, the Government accepted and implemented all your recommendations, would that figure of £770 million go up or down?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Greene

That is helpful. Thank you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Greene

I presume that those are questions for ministers, which we can rightly ask in our own way.