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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Jamie Greene

It is very helpful. However, it insinuates by phraseology. Saying, “We want to be less racist,” means, “We are racist still.” Saying, “We want to be less discriminatory,” means, by default, “We still are discriminatory.” I am not asking you to agree or disagree with comments that have been made by Police Scotland but, apart from what has already been said, have you, in your capacity as chief inspector, seen evidence of discrimination, racism, sexism or misogyny?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Greene

Good morning. For the benefit of the record, I note that I usually wear a tie.

I have a lot of areas to cover, which I will do my best to get through. Following on from the line of questioning so far, it will not surprise you that I will ask a supplementary on Ferguson Marine, given the great interest in the topic.

I will not rehash any of the questions that have been put to you. There is a wider question about the yard. This committee and Audit Scotland have taken a great interest in the viability of the yard as a going concern and its future as a major piece of infrastructure that is publicly owned and a big local employer in the west.

The problem that we have as a committee—Audit Scotland has reiterated this point—is that it is hard to see what the future for the yard is at the moment. What is its future?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Greene

There is also the SVRP, though. The Western Ferries contract would have been a nice-to-have contract, but we were told directly that it was the Government contract that the yard was waiting on, not the private one.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Greene

Okay, thank you. I will move on to other issues relating to the reports that we have in front of us.

I will maybe start with you, permanent secretary. The main point of note is the big elephant in the room, which is the identified funding gap in Scottish finances of nearly £5 billion across the next three years. Three years is not far away—it seemed far away when we first heard about the potential gap, but the gap has got bigger and the timeline is getting closer. It is still unclear—this was reflected in the Audit Scotland report—what the Scottish Government will do to meet that gap. Is there a plan?

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Greene

Which health boards are merging?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Greene

I will come on to public service reform, which is an interesting area, in a moment. However, in layman’s terms, the Government will not have enough money to spend on the things that it needs to spend money on because there are resource and capital shortfalls. That clearly means that the Government must either introduce considerable tax rises to make up the difference—I assume that the Government is considering how far it can go with tax rises to achieve the maximum income—or make cuts to public services. The question is which taxes will go up or which services will be cut. The public has the right to know that.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Greene

So, with 0.5 per cent, what we are looking at? How many people per year will the Government lose? When you talk about back-office roles, you are presumably not talking about nurses, teachers, firefighters and police officers—or are we talking about those roles?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Greene

In relation to the consolidated accounts for 2024-25, the Audit Scotland report contains some figures on underspend—a £875 million resource underspend and a £134 million capital underspend, which is a total underspend of more than £1 billion. At a time when many public services are seeing quite heavy workloads and tight budgets, and when services are being cut and some capital projects are being cancelled or paused, that does not make sense. What happened to the £1 billion?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Greene

It sounds as though roughly half of the underspend was rolled over to the next financial year and spent accordingly, and that, with about half of it, you could not do that, due to its nature. That is helpful information. I appreciate the wider context, but I thought that it was important to check that.

Another issue that the Auditor General raises in the “Financial sustainability and taxes” report, and on which we have heard evidence in person from Audit Scotland, is to do with tax revenues in Scotland resulting from devolved policy decisions. I appreciate that those decisions are made not by civil servants but by Governments and, indeed, that they feature in budgets that the Parliament passes. However, there is still a wider question.

The Auditor General raises the valid point that, for 2025-26, £1.7 billion of extra tax will be raised in Scotland through policy choices that the Government makes, but that that will net only £616 million of benefit to the Scottish budget. Those are the Auditor General’s numbers. That is about a third of the amount raised—it is slightly better than the figure the year before. However, about 33p in the pound is reaped for the benefit of all your directorates to spend on public services. How are we going to fix that problem? How will we ensure that the £1.7 billion that we raise in extra taxes is available to the Government to spend on public services? At the moment, we are nowhere near that.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Greene

What is the debate? Where is the conflict? What do you not agree with?