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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Jamie Greene

I am glad that you mentioned that. I received your manifesto asks the other day. It is interesting. You say that it is difficult to quantify how short councils are in terms of their ability to deliver the Promise, but we have specific asks from COSLA, and it is not a small amount of cash that is being sought—it is a £16 billion inflationary uplift to, I presume, the block grant funding. There is £750 million for social care, which COSLA claims would increase the social worker workforce by more than 19,000—I will come on to the workforce in a moment; £844 million for the capital grant; and another nearly £1 billion for affordable housing supply, which may address some of the housing issues.

Mr Rennick, I imagine that you do not have £16 billion sloshing around your coffers at the moment. However, do you see the point? If local councils are not properly funded, there is no way on earth that we will deliver the Promise by 2030.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Let us talk about the whole family wellbeing fund. How much of the £0.5 billion that was promised has been spent?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Jamie Greene

I would have preferred that you came in and said, “Look, there is stuff in this report we do not like, so I cannot sign up to the report and its recommendations.” If you had been honest with us from the minute that you walked in the door, we would not be having this conversation. I will finish where I started in my supplementary questions—there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the Auditor General, but be honest about it. That is all we ask for.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Jamie Greene

That is helpful feedback. Mr Rennick, will you give Mr Anderson more than 15 minutes of your time? This is an extremely important matter.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Jamie Greene

It is a good example of that. However, David gave a really good example of the oversight group going to ministers and civil servants at the most senior level and saying, “We have a problem here as this policy has been paused”—and nothing happened. That is not the local authority’s fault.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Jamie Greene

I will move on to COSLA.

We received a letter from COSLA just two days ago, ahead of the session. I appreciate that you did not write the letter but it has your logo on it, so I will ask you about it. It is from Councillor Buchanan, who is your children and young people spokesperson. He made the valid point that local authorities make annual budget decisions within the confines of the funding arrangements that they work to. However, he then went on to say that

“COSLA cannot comment on gaps within each of our 32 councils.”

That leads me to ask what the point of COSLA is in this area. You have a commitment to keep the Promise, but you can talk only about the generality of what local authorities do and are clearly unwilling to criticise individual councils. The impression that I get is that, if there are specific failures in specific parts of Scotland, which we know there are, COSLA seems quite unwilling or reticent to unearth those local failings. Ultimately, it is local delivery that will meet local needs, is it not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Thank you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Good morning—it is just about still morning.

Mr Watson, you have just answered my question on AST, so there is not much to add. What happened at AST is clear. It had a future in a market that is booming and growing in Scotland and across the world. It should have been supported by as many parts of the public sector as possible but, due to its structural arrangements, it was simply unable to stay solvent. That is my summary.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

So, in your view, not signing off the accounts was the right and proper thing to do.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Thank you. Living quarter to quarter financially is not great for any organisation. You have staff wages to pay. I have spoken with some of the college tutors at Perth and they admit that they did not always realise the bigger picture of college finances, how perilous they were and that their salaries might not go into their bank accounts that month. I guess that you do not want to advertise on the walls of the college that you are running out of cash this month.

I want to talk about some of the mitigating measures that you took to make ends meet. If at any point you were running out of cash, how were you able to make ends meet? Were you given loan funding? Was there bridging funding from the SFC? Were you simply taking money out of future pots of cash to suck into this quarter from the next? I could not quite understand how you were able to pay the bills.