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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 December 2025
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Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Okay. While I have you on the phone, can I ask you about attrition or turnover at Audit Scotland in the past year compared with previous years? What is your current rate?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Are you training graduates?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Good.

We do not have a huge amount of time, so I am going to ask about the future and about your modernisation project, which is a subject that I know you were expecting would come up today. We have looked a little at your finances, and Mr Oliver talked about the re-profiling of some of the money that you thought you were going to spend this year but now want to move forward.

I want to get this correct. There is £430,000 that you expected to spend in this financial year but are not going to spend, so you have offered to return that to the consolidated fund. However, you are essentially asking to have that looped back to you. Would there be any benefit for you in being able to hold on to money and carry it over, rather than having to do a complicated dance of kindly giving money back to us and then coming begging for it the next day? Could we do that better?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Just for clarification, is the £250,000 NFI money in addition to your revenue ask of us? Are you asking for a one-off payment for that?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

We would need to identify the potential risk of that mid-year revision before we think about the overall annual settlement. It would be helpful if you had some insight, because it is a simple replication of this year’s numbers—I am always quite suspicious of forecasts that are identical to this year’s actual spend.

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

I was going to flag that. I recall having this conversation last year, and the increase in what was classed as income of £1.7 million in effect became a deficit to you, and that money had to be recouped through the SCF. My concern is that next year’s costs simply replicate this year’s costs. However, you have not received your statement yet. What happens if that says that that has reduced in value by £2 million? Suddenly, your £15.8 million ask will become £17.8 million. There is a huge unknown with that. I appreciate that it is out of your control, but that was a huge part of why we had to give you so much extra money last year.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Jamie Greene

You say that progress has been made. Since the Promise was first made, a third of councils in Scotland have declared a housing emergency. Our briefings from COSLA and Shelter Scotland state that nearly 17,000 children are homeless in Scotland and more than 10,000 are in temporary accommodation. Does that sound like we are keeping the Promise for those 17,000 children? It does not sound like it to me.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Jamie Greene

I appreciate that time is ticking on, so I will try to make my last two questions brief. Workforce is an important issue that is covered in the report. Exhibit 8 provides us with a nice visual way of understanding the scale of the problem that we have at the moment. To pick a few examples, 13 per cent of social workers who were asked were very likely to leave their jobs in the next 12 months—I presume that that is a fairly high figure—half of foster carers have considered resigning, half experience burnout and poor wellbeing and some 40 per cent of children and young people social care staff do not feel safe at work. Those startling statistics paint a worrying picture of the workforce required to deliver the Promise, do they not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Most of the ground has been covered by those with far more in-depth knowledge of the subject than I have, but one thing that has struck me throughout this evidence-taking session—and indeed in other similar sessions, particularly on NHS boards—is that these are not new issues. These matters that have been raised by Audit Scotland with previous iterations of this committee as well as with this committee and, no doubt, will be raised with future public audit committees.

However, we are not talking about financial auditing here—people are involved. Indeed, the convener opened the session by pointing out that people are suffering, and sometimes self-harming, as a result of inaction. At what point, Auditor General, does what I can only assume is your frustration at the lack of progress turn into something more statutory? After all, we cannot keep producing section 22 reports year after year after year that say the same thing and still see no adequate progress by, or accountability from, these public bodies. What more can we as a Parliament or as a committee do? Indeed, what more can you, with your statutory abilities, do?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Jamie Greene

My final question is simply this. We are now five years on from the Promise being made. There is clearly an ambition and a lot of good will in the room among stakeholders to meet the Promise, but in your professional judgment are we on track to do so by 2030? I am happy to go along the panel to hear answers.