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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Mental Health Law Review

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Jamie Greene

I have one more question, which is about prisons. It is evident that there is a worrying trend in the statistics about those in the prison population who have long-term mental health conditions or a history of self-harm, depression, anxiety or the abuse of alcohol and drugs. There are some interesting statistics in your report, which shows rates that are in some cases almost double those for people who are not in the prison population.

We also know that there is a disparity in the provision of mental health care and mental health nurses across the prison estate. The report includes statistical data showing that the figure varies from one nurse per 53 inmates to one nurse per 177, depending which prison someone is held in, which is a postcode lottery. The sad outcome of that is an unfortunately high rate of prison suicide, often among remand prisoners who have not even been convicted and do not have long-term sentences.

Did anything come out of your investigation that the Scottish Prison Service should take note of or that the Government should address?

Criminal Justice Committee

Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Act 2022: Implementation Timetable

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Jamie Greene

We have just spent 20 minutes talking about a letter. If the minister was sitting here, we probably could have resolved all the issues without the need for further communication. If the minister feels the need to come and talk to us, she would be very welcome to do so. It would save the need for a game of ping-pong, with letters going back and forth, in which people can hide behind niceties that do not mean anything, as we often see in these letters that are drafted by civil servants. I mean no disrespect to the civil service, but we could just ask the minister some direct questions—she is welcome to be accompanied by advisers if need be. We could probably settle the matters quite easily with an appearance from the minister on the subject, perhaps tied in with some other issues.

Criminal Justice Committee

Transgender Prisoners and Scottish Prisons

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Jamie Greene

The current position is that no transgender offender who has been convicted of a crime of violence or sexual violence against women or girls will be placed in a female prison. I presume that those who commit other types of violence and domestic abuse are not currently and will never be held in the female estate. Is that something on which you can give assurances, or is that a temporary measure?

Criminal Justice Committee

Transgender Prisoners and Scottish Prisons

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Jamie Greene

At his directive, though.

Criminal Justice Committee

Transgender Prisoners and Scottish Prisons

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Jamie Greene

Under ministerial directive.

Criminal Justice Committee

Priorities in the Justice Sector and an Action Plan

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Jamie Greene

When I briefly popped out, did you cover recovery cafes?

Criminal Justice Committee

Transgender Prisoners and Scottish Prisons

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Jamie Greene

At what point in the decision-making process did it ever seem appropriate to house a rapist in the women’s estate, and has that ever happened before?

Criminal Justice Committee

Transgender Prisoners and Scottish Prisons

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Jamie Greene

It is a wider point. As we look to move forward and offer some clarity to the public on the issue, at what point—at any stage of proceedings—was it ever felt or deemed to be appropriate to house someone who had been convicted of the crime of rape in the women’s prison estate? Why, in anyone’s logical thinking, would that ever be appropriate?

Criminal Justice Committee

Transgender Prisoners and Scottish Prisons

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Jamie Greene

That in itself is a problem. What do you mean by “limited information”? Surely, you should have access to fulsome information about that individual. That person has gone through quite a lengthy court process and there was undoubtedly an element of public interest in the case. At what point does the nature of the crime for which someone has been convicted become a primary factor in decision making? Clearly, it sounds as though it was not in this case.

Criminal Justice Committee

Transgender Prisoners and Scottish Prisons

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Jamie Greene

So, the answer is that there are none. That is reassuring.

Finally, what effect does the possession of a gender recognition certificate have on your decision making? There is still a bit of ambiguity as to what the decision-making process looks and feels like. I know that you have spoken about it, I understand the rationale and I know that you have been doing it for a very long time. The actions of prison staff in handling such sensitive issues are to be commended. That is all a matter of public record. However, it is still unclear how you go about taking such decisions. I am intrigued by the effect that a legal document such as a GRC would have on your decision making, compared to the effect of someone making a different kind of declaration that does not have that legal recognition—that might include those who have gone through some form of transition.