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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

On the second part of my question, you have just clarified that 39 per cent of all emissions are transport related, but what percentage of that 39 per cent is caused by domestic, personal-use cars?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

The future of roads. Okay. Fix the pot-holes—that is the future.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

Everyone wants to know what progress has been made on the issue, whether the public money that has been invested in meeting the policy objective relates to the target, and whether the target is appropriate and necessary relative to the scale of the problem. That is what I am getting at in all of this.

Let us move on to the issue of how we deliver the reduction in mileage, or just usage in general, and the role that other forms of government, particularly local government, can play in that. Has there been any conflict in that regard? Earlier, I got a sense that there might have been some conflict in terms of the Government’s overall national ambition versus the delivery on the ground, much of which is under the control of councils, which have to use their budgets to deliver.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

That is helpful. However, the crux of my question is that Glasgow and Edinburgh have already introduced low-emission zones—I appreciate that they were controversial, and I hope that they are serving their intended purpose—but other measures were afforded to local authorities in the 2019 act. Some of us sat around the table and progressed that legislation—or, indeed, opposed bits of it—so I know that things such as the workplace parking levy and the ability to create boundaries around towns for congestion or pay-as-you-go charges were not introduced. It seems to me that the only measures that local authorities want to be introduced are enhancement of the low-emission zones or another form of pay-as-you-go scheme. What has happened over the past six years that has prevented local authorities from doing that? Why are they going back to the Government and asking for more powers?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

I have a wider question. Why are the councils that want more powers to implement more car reduction measures not using the measures that were afforded to them in the Transport (Scotland) Act 2019?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

I will let you take a break from answering questions, cabinet secretary, as I know that you are finding it tough to speak because you are not well. I will direct my next questions to Transport Scotland.

While I am talking about the target, I want to pick up on some of the statistics, as data is obviously important. In her opening statement, the cabinet secretary talked about 2022 data. The first question is, why is there no data for 2023 or 2024? Is that in production? Also, did the cabinet secretary say that car use or domestic transport accounted for 39 per cent of all transport emissions, and was it cars or domestic transport that accounted for 12.4 per cent of all emissions? Colin Beattie picked up on that point earlier, and I want to be clear on what the numbers are.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

That says to me that the bigger issue is other forms of transport, which are emitting more. What is being done to reduce those emissions?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

That is interesting. Does that not demonstrate, though, that the potential tax income that could have been achieved through divergence is £3.367 billion? That is what the table is sort of saying; it is not saying what was actually paid but what the maximum potential was. The bottom line is that we actually get £0.6 billion in extra revenue from the divergence, which is only 20 per cent of the overall £3.3 billion. I am trying to get my head around where the 80 per cent loss is happening.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

Just to be clear, I am not talking about a race to the bottom. I do not want other parts of the UK to perform poorly relative to Scotland just so that we can say we are doing better. I am sure that we all want it to be true that every extra penny that is spent on additional taxes in Scotland creates more opportunity for the Scottish Government to spend money on public services. Surely that has to be a shared ambition.

What we are trying to unearth through these sessions is what is causing that difference. What percentage of every pound of additional tax that is spent achieves a net benefit to the Government? We are trying to unearth some of that.

For example, if we compare Scottish gross domestic product per capita to that in the rest of the UK, we can see that it was consistently lower for a long period of time. Levels of economic inactivity in the working-age population have been higher in Scotland than in other parts of the UK, and the SFC’s analysis from last year shows that Scotland’s working-age population is growing more slowly than that in the rest of the UK. There are therefore a number of factors. You have picked out a couple in which there have been some improvements and I am happy to hear that, but there are other areas in which there are major factors that mean that we are not achieving the sort of economic performance that we need to make sure that all that tax money comes back to the Scottish Government.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023-24”

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Jamie Greene

In the interests of time, this will be my last question. It is for HMRC, which cannot get away lightly from this evidence session.

I turn to page 23 of the Audit General’s report. I was struck by a piece of commentary about migration trends and tax policy, and I wonder whether you could comment on it. Paragraph 80 states:

“HMRC says it cannot draw conclusions about whether migration trends were affected by income tax policy as it does not know what level of migration would have been expected without any divergence in tax policy.”

Surely that is a fundamental flaw in the analysis of tax divergence. How can the Scottish Government make appropriate decisions about tax divergence if it does not know what effect it is having on inward or outward migration?