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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 January 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

But this is not about Northern Ireland.

Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Does the cabinet secretary believe that it would create any problems or any opportunities if the legislation were to go ahead without Scotland participating in it, as Scotland has a separate legal system? What risk analysis has been done of the bill passing in Westminster without Scotland participating in it?

Could that undermine any policy objectives of the legislation? Would it undermine the work of the independent commission? Indeed, could it render much of the legislation useless, for example if someone who was an accused person was residing in Scotland and would therefore be prosecuted in Scotland, rather than anywhere else in the United Kingdom? Has the Government done any analysis of what that potential outcome or scenario might look like?

Criminal Justice Committee

Online Safety Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Obviously, that is at a fairly high level. I imagine that those prosecutions would be quite well publicised and would attract huge media interest, particularly when they relate to well-known online platforms.

The bill creates a specific new offence of encouraging or assisting the serious self-harm of another person. Although the offence itself is narrow, that could be interpreted quite widely. The idea of encouraging someone to self-harm strays from one territory. We commonly associate online encouragement of self-harm almost with online hate crime, in which the encouragement of self-harm is used perhaps more as an attack or an insult, rather than with something that might be perceived to be of assistance. That means that it could be quite widespread. We are all on social media and we all read those kinds of comments.

What are the implications for policing? We have heard concerns in the past that legislation is sometimes passed without a wide-ranging conversation with, for example, Police Scotland, which ultimately picks up the calls when people phone in to complain or to make allegations. What conversations have you had with cabinet secretary colleagues in other directorates about the resource implications, the scale and volume, or the public awareness raising that might go with this so that we do not suddenly and overnight create the perception of a new offence that the public will respond to?

Criminal Justice Committee

Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Can you clarify what you mean by that? Do you mean secondary legislation in the Scottish Parliament or at Westminster?

Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

No problem—thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

I merely say that I am intrigued to see how we will make a half-hour debate out of this subject next week. I look forward to hearing the minister’s comments.

Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Irrespective of what the committee discusses, the issue will probably come back to the Parliament—I believe that a debate on it is scheduled for next week. Perhaps it would be helpful if the Lord Advocate were to write to the committee or the cabinet secretary on her current position, given that any previous correspondence that is in the public domain will be from before the UK Government’s amendments were tabled. I would be keen to see whether it remains the Lord Advocate’s position that she has a problem with the bill. That might make it easier for the Parliament to make a decision on the LCM. At the moment, we are hearing third-hand information through the Government rather than information directly from the Lord Advocate.

Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Good morning, cabinet secretary and officials. I have a few questions that follow on from the cabinet secretary’s opening remarks, the first of which is an overarching question on the Scottish Government’s position on the concept of the bill and what it is trying to achieve.

I appreciate that the Scottish Government has questions on technical issues with regard to the role of the Lord Advocate, and perhaps it has further questions on the potential implications of the human rights aspects of granting immunity. However, fundamentally, from a policy point of view, what problem does the Scottish Government have with the concept of immunity from prosecution in return for information, for example, or with the concept of amnesty in general in Northern Ireland? What is its major substantive problem with that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Online Safety Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

Thank you, convener. [Interruption.] We are getting quite a lot of feedback.

My questions are perhaps technical ones rather than wider policy ones, minister. Thanks to amendments that were passed at the committee stage in the House of Lords, clauses 165 and 166 of the bill state that the new offence can be committed where a relevant act is committed outside the UK by a person who is habitually resident in the UK or by a person who is a body incorporated or constituted under UK law. I am keen to explore what effect that has on Scots law and prosecution in Scotland.

Someone can be habitually resident in different parts of the UK, so would they be prosecuted under the bill in England and Wales or in Scotland? I will not name any particular social media company, but you can use your imagination. If somebody who is accountable as a corporate officer and therefore liable under that parameter habitually resides in Edinburgh, for example, but the company is registered in London, would they be prosecuted in Scotland? Would it be a lot clearer if the company was registered in Scotland and the person was resident here, although the act could be committed outside the UK—in the US, for example? It is a bit unclear how that would fall out in practice.

Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jamie Greene

On the issue of the Lord Advocate’s functions, what correspondence exists between the Scottish Government or the cabinet secretary and the Lord Advocate? As a committee, we have not seen any letters from the Lord Advocate explaining her position on the matter. Obviously, I take your word for it that the Government believes that there are issues, but what does the Lord Advocate herself say about it? Would you be willing to publish any such correspondence?