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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Maree Todd

Yes, because we have a mixed market.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Maree Todd

Yes.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Maree Todd

I would challenge that narrative. We are not treading water. This is the second time that I have been in front of this committee to explain exactly the level of work that is going on across the country.

We paused and then worked very hard with partners, local government, trade unions and people with lived experience to try to find a way forward. You will be aware that we were pretty much in a situation in which we could not move forward because the level of opposition to the bill was so great. Therefore, I am really pleased that we have achieved consensus and that we are moving forward now.

I think that, last week, we provided the Finance and Public Administration Committee with costs for the bill so far. If you check the papers for that meeting, you will be able to see exactly how much spending there has been on the bill at each stage.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Maree Todd

That is a good question. There is a lot of work and a lot of evidence there—perhaps there is almost too much, and people are finding it hard to navigate the volume of information. We can reflect on how to communicate. We have specific forums where we meet, hear from and talk to people with lived experience. We also have on-going engagement with trade unions, which has been vital to improving communication. When I first came into post, a number of people were concerned about things that just were not correct. Correcting those myths has been an important part of the work that has been done during the pause.

We have a social media programme, which is a really rich way to bring the information to life. As members, we all love reading, and we read a lot for our work, but it can be tough for Joe Bloggs to read through pages and pages of information in somewhat dense text. There are “Voices of Care” videos that bring to life different aspects that we are working on. I recommend that people have a look at those, as they really bring to life what we are trying to achieve.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Maree Todd

Donna, do you have a longer-term view than I do? It is still a framework bill, so we expect the detail to be in the secondary legislation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Maree Todd

Yes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Maree Todd

I will ask Fiona Bennett to answer that question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Maree Todd

As you will know, we set out a financial memorandum this time last year. That was the envelope that was put forward with the original draft legislation, but it is changing as we develop the legislation. We are determined to develop a system that meets the needs of the population. You will be aware that there is a commitment at Government level to do that. I will continue to work closely with the Deputy First Minister to ensure that we are able to afford and deliver a national care service that works.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Maree Todd

The focus of the discussion with COSLA has been not on cost but more on its concerns about the transfer of staff and its wanting to maintain its statutory responsibilities for commissioning and procurement. In other words, the focus was less on financial costs and more on power and assets. We have worked closely with our local authority partners, and the Verity house agreement has helped us in that respect.

We have also worked closely with unions that have been critical of our approach. As I have said, I feel that we are now in a much healthier place; we are working closely together—although we do not always agree—and our eyes are firmly on the goal of delivering an improved service that works for the people who access care and for those who work in care.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Maree Todd

When we come back to you with the financial memorandum, I would certainly expect you to be able to have absolute confidence in what we produce.