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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 December 2024
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Liam Kerr

I will throw that back to you slightly, because the committee has heard that meaningful change leads to more costs. Cabinet secretary, you talked about proper engagement, and you acknowledged in answer to Ross Greer’s question that there are a lot of stakeholders. Indeed, Clare Hicks listed a number of them in response to my earlier question. New development comes at a cost; there is, for example, a cost to councils in releasing teachers to engage in the process.

The committee has heard that more is needed. Does it concern you at all that recent financial memorandums, particularly in other portfolios, have been the subjects of successful challenge? Is there value in the Government actively looking again at the financial memorandum to ensure that all those issues have been accounted for?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Liam Kerr

Forgive me, Garvin Sealy; I will come to you with that question.

Gavin Yates, the bill does not specifically mention having parents on the learner committee. Can I presume that you would like that to be explicitly amended?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Liam Kerr

Megan Farr, do you want to come back in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Liam Kerr

Good morning. I will stick with Ross Greer’s interesting line of questioning to Sharon McGuigan. Professor Muir recommended that the accreditation function be split from the awarding function. After initially agreeing with that, the Government reversed its position. As I understand it, the new bill will be very similar to the current regime, in that the accreditation function will be overseen by an accreditation committee, with minor changes being made to that accreditation committee’s membership. In your submission, you say that you are concerned about that. Why?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Liam Kerr

I have a brief question arising from one that Willie Rennie posed earlier. He made an interesting point about the number of people or groups that might end up on committees. That begs a question that I will throw first to Megan Farr and then move along. Is there a solution in which the bill could be amended to create a duty to set up processes so that particular groups will be heard, rather than incorporating those groups in various committees?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Liam Kerr

Let me challenge you on that, then—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Liam Kerr

Forgive me, Sharon, but are you saying that Unite the union would be the regulator?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Liam Kerr

Forgive for talking over you. I understand that, but I am looking for a figure so that the committee can look at it and say that that is what we need to make the legislation work.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Liam Kerr

—because schedule 1 to the bill specifically says that the accreditation committee will be independent, and sections 19 and 20 say that the accreditation committee must produce its own corporate plan and independent report. Also, I think that schedule 1 goes on to say that the majority of the members on the accreditation committee must not be connected to—or staff of—the new qualifications Scotland. Yet you remain unconvinced. Why?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Liam Kerr

What would be Unite’s solution, then? Is it to amend the bill such that there is a complete split? Perhaps it is something else. Is it to bring in a regulator of the sort that I understand there is in England?