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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Following on from the point that you have just made, my final question is about long-term prisoners. Yesterday in the chamber, members asked about long-term prisoners, and I was not entirely clear about the response, so I will put the question to you again. You have not ruled out the early release of long-term prisoners—although, for clarity, I understand that that is not being considered as part of the Early Release of Prisoners (Scotland) Regulations 2025. How likely is it that the early release of long-term prisoners will happen? Given the greater danger that, logically, that step would pose to the public and to victims, what enhanced victim notification are you considering were such a move to happen? What analysis is the Government doing of any greater public risk posed by such a move?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

No. With respect, cabinet secretary, let me answer the question. HMP Kilmarnock was taken back into the public sector. By all means, cabinet secretary, correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that part of Serco’s offer was to open a new wing as part of HMP Kilmarnock, thus increasing capacity and potentially solving the overcrowding issue. The fact that HMP Kilmarnock was taken back into the public sector for what some might suggest are ideological reasons might have ruined that possibility.

Cabinet secretary, this is an ill-thought-through and risky response to a situation that we knew and have known for a long time would occur. I will not be voting for it, and I do not think that the committee should, either.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning. I will direct my questions precisely, but catch my eye if you want to come in. I will come to Diane Martin first. The committee has received evidence that states that the criminalisation of those who buy sex would put sex workers at greater risk of violence and would not reduce demand for prostitution or reduce trafficking. Do you take a different view? If so, why?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Yes, convener. I am very grateful to all the witnesses.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning. Niki Adams, I will come straight back to you. The committee has your evidence that the criminalisation of those who buy sex puts sex workers at greater risk of violence and does not reduce demand for prostitution or reduce trafficking. Panel 1 took a different view and talked about France, specifically, as an exemplar. Your evidence speaks to specific research in France that has a very different, negative take. Can you help the committee understand why there is a discrepancy on that point? Why is one panel of witnesses telling us that France is an exemplar, while you seem to be saying that it is not, and you conclude that criminalisation will not work?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful for that evidence.

I put a similar question to Laura Baillie. You also raise the subject of safety in your evidence, although your evidence says that criminalisation would mean that sex workers

“would be less able to screen potential clients”

and less able to get a deposit. You refer to an app that enables some form of screening.

The witnesses on panel 1 gave a different response to that—they seemed to suggest that screening and checking is not currently happening in practice. That is clearly different from what you say in your evidence. Can you help the committee to understand why there is that difference and tell us, in your view, what is actually happening on the ground?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

I will ask one tiny question on something that you just said, Lynsey Walton. You talked about millions of alerts going out to users. Given what we heard, how much power does the sex worker have to decline the transaction or instruction once they receive that alert?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful for your answer.

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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

I put the same question to Bronagh Andrew. According to the bill’s policy memorandum, the measures are intended to “reduce the number” of people in prostitution. Is there any evidence that models such as the Nordic model achieve a reduction in the number of people in prostitution?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Yes, and I want to take that forward. If you do not mind, I will stay with you for this question. You talked about the work that you have been doing jointly with Police Scotland. Last week, I read a report in the Daily Record that said that Police Scotland is supportive of criminalising the purchase of sex but “could not afford to enforce a crackdown”. Given that, to what extent does the effectiveness of a Nordic model hinge on enforcement by the police and courts, or is it more about messaging and driving a culture change?