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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Liam Kerr

You mentioned, rightly, drug treatment earlier. With regard to the number of people entering prison in the first place, the committee has heard evidence of the low number of community payback orders with drug, alcohol and mental health treatment requirements, and we have seen data that shows that lower numbers of drug treatment and testing orders are being imposed than there were before Covid. Why is that? Is the Edinburgh Bar Association correct to say that, in Edinburgh, a DTTO—which was an alternative to custody—has not been available since 2023? What is the Government proposing to do instead?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Let me throw that back to you, cabinet secretary: which new measures are you proposing, precisely? I fear that you might have avoided the question that I started off with, which was whether there would be another early release programme.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I welcome that approach. The working group reported in 2022 and the Government responded in April 2022. What has been done between then and now that will, I hope, allow a future Government to pick up and run with the ball on a misogyny bill?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful for that. Perhaps, after this evidence session, the cabinet secretary or officials could send the committee data on the use of DTTOs by sheriffdom, so that we can see whether Edinburgh is an outlier as well as what is happening across the country.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning again, cabinet secretary. When the hate crime bill was being discussed, I recall that I was very critical of the Government for leaving sex out of it. Even then, I argued that there was a need for something more to be considered, and it seems that the working group on misogyny and criminal justice in Scotland has sympathy with that approach. In your view, what is lost by using the SSI as a mechanism for this rather than a stand-alone bill? Does the Scottish Government have any plans to revisit the issue of a misogyny bill in future?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Rhoda, do you want to respond?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning. Linda Pollock, as you will be familiar from the session last week, the committee has heard that overcrowding is perhaps the single biggest influence on prison officers’ ability to effectively manage substance misuse in prisons, due to capacity and resource management. Despite the early releases over the past 12 months, the prison population is now at its highest weekly level since April 2014—at about 8,350, give or take. How does the SPS plan to manage and address that overcrowding, in both the short and the long term, and how will those plans impact on the SPS’s ability to manage and prevent substance abuse in the system?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I am grateful for that very full answer. I will interrogate it slightly, if I may. You mentioned remand prisoners. Off the top of my head, 1,800 of the total of 8,300 prisoners are on remand—I am sure that you can give me the exact figure. Presumably, they present a specific issue in relation to overcrowding and the management thereof. Can you detail that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Liam Kerr

That was really helpful and, in fact, reflects other evidence that we have heard throughout the inquiry.

Sarah Angus, I have a similar question for you. The committee has heard about a lot of good work that the SPS has been doing to address the supply of substances into the estate. Obviously, the SPS and other agencies are also looking to address demand and the reasons underlying it. Given that you are in a somewhat challenging funding environment, how does the SPS balance spending between addressing the supply issue and, at the same time, trying to address the demand issue?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Liam Kerr

My question is for Linda Pollock, and is entirely related to what Pauline McNeill said about Barlinnie. Having visited Barlinnie several times, I recognise exactly what she was talking about, particularly with regard to doubling up. One might theorise that, when two people share a cell of the size and style that we have in Barlinnie, the availability of substances and the pressure to use them and to get involved in their distribution might increase. However, I do not know that, so my question is: has any research been done—or is any proposed—on the impact, either on substances or more widely, of prisoners doubling up in cells? If there were such research, and it showed significant negative impacts, that might be quite powerful when it comes to policy making.