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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I will address my first question to Jim Smith, but if anyone else wants to come in, they can just catch my eye. The Prison Officers Association told us that it was clear that overcrowding in Scottish prisons is key. Given that prisoner numbers are higher now than they were before all the early release schemes, I presume that that is even more of an issue. Can you explain what impact overcrowding, and rising numbers of prisoners specifically, will have on levels of misuse and on the ability of staff and inmates to address issues of supply, demand and use?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Does the overcrowding perhaps facilitate that and make the supply easier or, indeed, the demand greater? Does it also have an effect on their use of drugs?

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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins, you have heard Jim Smith and Gillian Walker mention drones. There are currently no-fly regulations around prisons in England and Wales, and the Prison Governors Association Scotland has called for similar legislation here. Do you take a view on whether that would be helpful and whether Scotland should go down that legislative route? If so, would that go some way towards addressing the issue?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

That is very helpful. I am grateful to you all.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning, panel members. I go first to Marianna Marquardt. I suspect that Haydn Pasi, based on something that she said earlier, will want to follow up on it.

The committee has heard evidence of a link between substance use in prisons and mental health challenges. Your response to the call for views raises the lack of mental health services and also suggests that there is a

“lack of integration between substance use and mental health services in prison.”

Can you expand on that for the committee? In particular, what impact does inadequate provision have on prisoners and their families?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I understand. Before I bring in Haydn Pasi, I will press you on something, Marianna. In your response to the call for views, you said

“that you can only have a drug worker or a mental health worker, not both.”

I found that quite interesting, and I think that the committee will as well. Will you explain how that operates in practice?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I understand—I am grateful, thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Dr Connell, alcohol problems are a significant issue in prison. You referred to a 2011 report, but a report by Scottish Health Action on Alcohol Problems, “Alcohol (in)justice”, published in 2024, has broadly similar figures: 63 per cent of people in prison have alcohol use disorder and 31 per cent are dependent on it. For people who are in prison who have alcohol issues, are the impacts on their mental and physical health similar to those who are presenting with drug issues? If not, how are they different?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Liam Kerr

You spoke about people using substances as a coping strategy. Earlier, we heard that there is relatively little opportunity for prisoners to access alcohol, but there might be opportunities for them to access to drugs. Is there any evidence to suggest that people with alcohol issues replace alcohol with drug use while they are in prison?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Following on from that point, I have a question for Dr Graham about consistency of support in the prison system for people with alcohol use disorders. In your submission, you suggest that there is no consistency of support across the estate, and you refer to a lack of overarching standards and accountability. How inconsistent is the provision of that support? What solutions do you think need to be put in place? You referred to mutual aid and peer recovery networks, which the committee would be particularly interested to hear about.