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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland (Strategic Plan 2024-28)

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Liam Kerr

I would like to ask about a not-unrelated point that you have both talked about already. I was really pleased to see just how wide the consultation was: we saw in the video how many views were taken and how you gave a voice to children and young people. How do you propose to communicate—not only with those who contributed, but with children and young people more widely—on how much progress is being made?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland (Strategic Plan 2024-28)

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Liam Kerr

On that final point, the plan talks about supporting or prioritising children and young people whose rights are most at risk. Can you talk a little more about that? How will you assess who they are and what that will actually mean, as the work takes shape?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland (Strategic Plan 2024-28)

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful for that. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Liam Kerr

I am grateful for that.

The part of your answer specifically on budgetary requirements, silos and so on was particularly interesting. I think that the committee will agree that those issues need to be addressed, but who has the responsibility for driving that forward? In your opening remarks, you talked about a whole-systems approach. Who is going to lead that, and who has the responsibility for addressing those issues? Is it the Scottish Government, the local authorities or some other body?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Liam Kerr

Cabinet secretary, you talked about the statistics that came out yesterday. One of the things that is particularly concerning is that the statistics seem to suggest that there are only 137 behaviour support staff in the whole country. That is the lowest number that there has been since 2019. I think that the statistics also show that 18 out of the 32 local authorities do not have any behaviour support staff. Does that concern you? What is going on and what can be done?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Liam Kerr

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Liam Kerr

On that point—Willie Rennie has posed a really important question—the attendance statistics will obviously be a function of much more than the education system. I make the observation that there is a tendency to think or act very much in silos. You are quite right, cabinet secretary, that we need to get away from that. Therefore, that begs the question: what interaction have you had with other portfolios on things such as the attendance statistics, particularly in the light of the report that you mentioned from last year?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Liam Kerr

That is an interesting point. I take your point about the number of PSAs. However, in previous evidence sessions, a point was made to the committee about whether we are asking staff—in this case, PSAs—to become more generalist. It has been suggested that there is a move away from specialists to load more and more responsibility—indeed, specialist responsibility—on to other functions such as PSAs. Do the statistics suggest that that is what is happening? In your view, is that the right direction of travel?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Liam Kerr

My colleague asked a really good question there. In relation to the point about local authorities being the employer and their lack of funds and how the numbers are changing, what are the salaries of a behaviour support assistant and a pupil support assistant? I genuinely do not know off the top of my head.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Liam Kerr

Good morning. Over the past few weeks, the committee has heard powerful testimony and a lot of detail about some of the challenges that people face in this area. When you reviewed the records of those meetings in the Official Report, did anything specific jump out as particularly concerning, and was there anything that you intend to address in, say, the first 100 days after our report comes out?