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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Liam Kerr

This meeting is about pre-budget scrutiny and John Mason began by asking you whether universities are financially sound. You said that you are working with universities to give them a sustainable future. I have a quick question to get the answer on the record. Do you accept that, as it is currently structured, there is a shortfall in higher education financing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Liam Kerr

I am grateful for that response—and I have no doubt that we could trade such views—but the committee has heard from a number of witnesses that, noting the shortfall from Government, which I examined earlier, and the exposure to international fluctuations, which we have also considered, various possible solutions and models could be explored to maximise the opportunity within the current Scottish Government budget. Is the Scottish Government open to considering modified funding models with a view to optimisation, or is it closed-minded to such investigation? Will the Government carry on with what you have just acknowledged is a suboptimal model?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Liam Kerr

Certainly. The committee has heard from Dr Gavan Conlon about some possibilities. The NUS suggested some others, and the University and College Union Scotland—the UCU—has suggested some. That is all in the Official Reports of previous evidence sessions. They all made very helpful suggestions, which I am sure you have considered in the past. I am just wondering whether the Scottish Government is open to such considerations and debates.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful for that response.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Liam Kerr

For absolute transparency, I remind the committee that I am currently a student at the Open University. To jump back very briefly, minister, what progress is the Scottish Government making in establishing parity of esteem in financial support for part-time students?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Liam Kerr

That is very interesting.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Liam Kerr

I will stick briefly with the points that have just been put to you, Professor Gillespie.

On the issue of cross-subsidising through international students, you said right at the start of the meeting that home students lose money. At the weekend, the vice-convener of Universities Scotland, Sir Paul Grice, said that the Scottish Government had not met its part of the deal on funding its free tuition policy. Given that we are coming into the budget process—Bill Kidd talked about that—what does the Scottish Government meeting its part of the deal look like? If it did that, would that mitigate the overreliance on international students?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Liam Kerr

I will stick with you on that, but I will go to Shona Struthers shortly.

The committee has heard concerns about cuts to funded places having a disproportionate impact on the post-1992 universities. In your view, what are the implications for those institutions and for Scotland-domiciled students? In relation to the point that you have just made, what could the Scottish Government do with the money that it is not using on those funded places?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Liam Kerr

Good morning, panel. Karen Watt, I go straight to you. We have heard a great deal this morning, and in general, about the significant financial challenges that our institutions face. It is important to note Professor Gillespie’s earlier comments about stewardship, and that the institutions are navigating the situation carefully. Nevertheless, what support is the SFC offering to those institutions to help them to navigate the current financial challenges?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Liam Kerr

My understanding is that such a decision has a much greater impact on Scotland’s modern universities, given the rules on the STSS pension scheme and the enrolment. I know that that has been raised with the Government and with the SFC. Just for the record, however, what can the Government and/or the SFC do to mitigate or ameliorate—or perhaps even, in future, to reverse—that hit to modern universities’ resource budgets?