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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Liam Kerr

Kate Wallace, you have cued me up nicely by talking about the victim notification scheme. I recently asked a written question of the Government about the contact centre, the answer to which suggested that money for any developments would need to be found from existing budgets for the sector. In that context, do the changes to the bill that the cabinet secretary is proposing make any difference to the resources that your organisations might need in order to continue to carry out your work effectively? If so, do you get the sense that the cabinet secretary is seeking funding for that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Liam Kerr

Forgive me for interrupting, but, just to be absolutely clear, would it be Victim Support Scotland’s position that a case involving a charge of murder should be prosecuted in the sexual offences court and not be retained by the High Court?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Liam Kerr

I understand. Kate Wallace, do you have a view on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Liam Kerr

I have two questions. First, Dr Plastow, just last week, the Parliament had an interesting debate on artificial intelligence. What do you see as the opportunities and challenges from the increasing use of AI in your field of biometrics?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Liam Kerr

Sticking with the investment that may or may not be coming down the line, in your response to the convener you talked, rightly, about the need for capital investment. The committee heard from Police Scotland and the Scottish Police Authority that, as they put it, an increased capital allocation of £83 million is required to allow them to deliver a basic rolling replacement programme—an estates master plan. If they do not get that—if that is not what they see in the budget—what does the cabinet secretary understand will have to not happen as a result?

09:45  

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Liam Kerr

I remind the committee up front that I am a solicitor, although I have not done legal aid work for 20 years and I do not do criminal defence work.

Cabinet secretary, I understand and respect the answer that you gave to Pauline McNeill. However, the questions that she put to you are key. We know that there is a huge problem with the lack of numbers of solicitors who enter criminal defence, and evidence shows that that is due to unsustainable working conditions and—according to the dean of the Faculty of Advocates—inadequate remuneration. You will be very aware that Aamer Anwar & Co recently pulled out of doing legal aid work, because those solicitors cannot continue to fund it themselves. That has led many commentators to talk about an inability to access justice.

None of us—least of all you, I know—wants such a situation in Scotland, so give me a direct answer, please: will the Scottish Government do anything about legal aid in the forthcoming budget, and anything about the structural issues that underlie the situation in which we find ourselves?

10:45  

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Liam Kerr

I might press you for one more question, convener.

I say with deep respect, cabinet secretary, that the previous money will no doubt have been very welcome. I have no doubt that the police will have been pleased to receive the sums that you talked about, both in capital and resource. However, this session is about looking forward and about what is coming up in the budget. The committee has heard that, if the police do not get what they need for resource, there will be a drop in officer numbers; if they do not get the £83 million capital allocation, there will be a problem with the rolling replacement programme.

Cabinet secretary, you accepted the seriousness to the police of not being able to deliver one or both of those, in the event that the budget does not deliver the money. What representations have you made to the finance secretary in relation to those specific asks from the police? Have you said to the finance secretary, “This is what we need to see, because the consequences of not seeing that are a disaster”?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Liam Kerr

I understand. That is clear. Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful. My final question is about an interesting point that came up during our evidence sessions. John Logue of the Crown Office advised the committee that the ending of extensions to statutory time limits in solemn cases in November 2025 presents it with “significant risk”, as he put it. What is your response to that? What can the Government do to avoid that situation?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Liam Kerr

Good morning. Police Scotland advised the committee that a flat-cash settlement, or a 3 per cent real-terms reduction in funding, would see officer numbers drop to as low as 15,100, or to below 15,000, respectively. It is important to be clear that Deputy Chief Constable Connors followed that up by saying that she did not believe

“that public safety would be compromised”

by such reductions, but that Police Scotland would need

“to prioritise and make more difficult choices around the threat, harm and risk.”—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 30 October 2024; c 9.]

Does the cabinet secretary accept the projections of those numbers in those financial scenarios? If so, what does the cabinet secretary understand that the police would have to do in terms of prioritisation and making those difficult choices?